Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[Sheilbh]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Again I still don't see what this indicates in relation to his death.  All I've learned is that he smoked pot and was a teenager with Twitter.

I'm not sure what to make of the 'burglary tool 'story which just seems odd.

[CountDeMoney]

Here's some histrionics that derspiess will appreciate:

The hoodie protests have arrived on the floor of the United States Congress.

Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) was chided and escorted from the House floor Wednesday morning for wearing a gray hoodie and sunglasses while delivering a rousing speech about the need for a full investigation into the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

"I applaud the young people, all across the land who are making a statement about hoodies, about the real hoodlums in this nation, specifically those who tread on our law wearing official or quasi-official cloaks," Rush said on the House floor.

"Racial profiling has got to stop," he said. "Just because someone wears a hoodie does not make them a hoodlum."

As he spoke those words, he removed his suit jacket and lifted the hood over his head. Rep. Gregg Harper (R-Miss.), presiding over the floor as Rush delivered his remarks, began to gavel almost immediately. Shouting over Rush, who began to recite Bible versus, Harper said that Rush was out of order for wearing the hood. A long prohibition has barred House members from wearing hats on the floor. Rush was then escorted from the House floor.

Martin was wearing a hooded sweatshirt when he was shot and killed by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, and the clothing item has become a symbol of support for Martin and his family. Zimmerman has said he acted in self-defense when he shot the unarmed 17-year-old, but the lack of charges in the case has sparked nationwide protests.

Later, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) took the gavel to remind House members of rules governing appropriate floor attire. "You know who you are," he added, drawing some laughs from members in the chamber.

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) declined to criticize House leadership for ruling the sweatshirt display out of order—she noted that House rules have changed over time, recalling that when she first arrived, rules forbade women from wearing pantsuits on the House floor. She said she is more concerned about Republican policies on Medicare and the middle class than the clothing debate.

"I'm more concerned about actions taken, words spoken and the impact on the American people," she said.

And veteran Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said it is the duty of the House Speaker to make rules regarding chamber decorum.

"If the Speaker had allowed it, I would have considered it appropriate. If the Speaker does not allow it, I agree with the Speaker that it's not appropriate. And, of course, when our colleague walked down into the well, he didn't know whether it would be appropriate or inappropriate himself," Conyers said of Rush's action.

"I do believe the Speaker has the authority and the duty to caution members about proper apparel. And he did," Conyers said.

The video!

[derspiess]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Again I still don't see what this indicates in relation to his death.  All I've learned is that he smoked pot and was a teenager with Twitter.

I'm not sure what to make of the 'burglary tool 'story which just seems odd.

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

[Kleves]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

The Daily Caller, says it has published 152 pages of tweets downloaded from Trayvon's account. The site says Trayvon went by the Twitter handle NO_LIMIT_N***A.

A few of the messages make reference to using drugs including one that says: 'Finna (I'm fixing to) smoke 1 wit my dawg wayne.'

'PLZZ EXERCISE YO RIGHT 2 REMAIN SILENT.. DAM,' he says.

Another says: '2 glock 40's... b**** you got 80 problems

He was taken too soon; think of all he could have taught us. 

Though I imagine most people come off looking like morons if you examine their twitter accounts.

[Phillip V]

The parents should blame themselves for having a failed marriage.

[DGuller]

He was taken too soon; think of all he could have taught us. 

Assuming that this statement is sarcastic, what are you implying?  That he was taken at the right time?  It took too long for him to be taken?

[crazy canuck]

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

What is it that you see in those articles?

[Razgovory]

I'm guessing he's seeing a liberal media conspiracy.

[derspiess]

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

What is it that you see in those articles?

I see a different Trayvon than the choirboy image we were originally presented with. 

[derspiess]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

The Daily Caller, says it has published 152 pages of tweets downloaded from Trayvon's account. The site says Trayvon went by the Twitter handle NO_LIMIT_N***A.

A few of the messages make reference to using drugs including one that says: 'Finna (I'm fixing to) smoke 1 wit my dawg wayne.'

'PLZZ EXERCISE YO RIGHT 2 REMAIN SILENT.. DAM,' he says.

Another says: '2 glock 40's... b**** you got 80 problems

He was taken too soon; think of all he could have taught us. 

Though I imagine most people come off looking like morons if you examine their twitter accounts.

I wonder if "NO LIMIT CRACKA" is taken 

[Razgovory]

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

What is it that you see in those articles?

I see a different Trayvon than the choirboy image we were originally presented with.

And?

[crazy canuck]

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

What is it that you see in those articles?

I see a different Trayvon than the choirboy image we were originally presented with.

Rhetoric aside, what is it that you see in those articles that is any different from what Sheb described?

[Berkut]

I don't recall ever being presented with a choir boy.

[crazy canuck]

I don't recall ever being presented with a choir boy.

Agreed, but Derspiess insists he has, which is why I put the question differently.

[Sheilbh]

If that's all you see, then I'll just say "Good day, sir" and leave it at that.

I'm still interested in your point, I just don't get it from those articles unless you explain what you mean.

Though I imagine most people come off looking like morons if you examine their twitter accounts.

Yeah.  As I say he's a teenager with Twitter.  If you looked at my 17 year old nephew's Facebook you'd have the same.

I don't recall ever being presented with a choir boy.

I agree.  And the issue seems irrelevant.  He could've been far worse than those articles suggest and, on the facts we have about the night, he still shouldn't be dead.