D&D 4th Ed. Character building

[Neil]

I'll stop bashing you for it once you've played it.  You see, the bashing is not about your intention to play the game but about you talking with great conviction about something you haven't had experience with 

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th Edition Campaign Setting.  I have twenty-one years of experience with the Forgotten Realms setting.  I would say that I have as much experience as anybody on this forum, and probably more.

So fuck off and die, preferably of some awful disease that you picked up in Chinkland.

[crazy canuck]

When I was rather young, my friends and I played D&D based on the map of Europe.  Our adventuring party conquered the island of Elba, because it seemed about the right size.

Whenever I started a new campaign I always picked a real life ancient location.  Part of the fun of my veteran players was trying to figure where and when they were and once they had figured that out, they needed to figure out what twists I had made to DnDify the world.

It was always great fun.

[crazy canuck]

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th Edition Campaign Setting.  I have twenty-one years of experience with the Forgotten Realms setting.  I would say that I have as much experience as anybody on this forum, and probably more.

The nerd rage is strong in this one.

[vinraith]

I'll stop bashing you for it once you've played it.  You see, the bashing is not about your intention to play the game but about you talking with great conviction about something you haven't had experience with 

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th Edition Campaign Setting.  I have twenty-one years of experience with the Forgotten Realms setting.  I would say that I have as much experience as anybody on this forum, and probably more.

I DM'd FR for 10 years and I approve this message.

[Jacob]

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th Edition Players Guide.  I have twenty-one years of experience with the Forgotten Realms setting.  I would say that I have as much experience as anybody on this forum, and probably more.

If you were paying attention you would've noticed that I agree with you on the 4E Forgotten Realms and am not you castigating on that end.  You for your part have not said anything particularly outlandish (once the usual Neil filter has been applied of course).  You've read the new FR stuff and compared to what you know, you think it's shit.  That's a fair assessment based on actual knowledge, and one I agree with.

The main target of my mocking is Valmy who's going on about how the system without having played it.

So fuck off and die, preferably of some awful disease that you picked up in Chinkland.

If I end up with a disease like that I'll make sure to infect you and yours before I expire

[Valmy]

The nerd rage is strong in this one.

That is why he is a righteous man.

[Jacob]

I have experienced the FR campaign setting for years.  Stories and changes that were lame in 2nd Ed are still lame in 4th Ed.

You have every right to be annoyed at the FR changes.  No worries there.  I was all about giving them the benefit of the doubt, but having it seen it I have to agree they're pretty shit.

Unfortunately you come off more as a 4th Ed fanboi who cries whenever we say something mean about it.  Even if the plot of the FR campaign setting has nothing to do with the rules changes of 4th Ed.

Look, my point is simple.  Judge 4E once you've played it a bit, not on internet hyperbole.

As for Forgotten Realms, the only thing that's funny is Neil whining about whiners having their way.  I actually agree with him (and you) that they didn't do right by FR with the recent changes.

[Valmy]

The main target of my mocking is Valmy who's going on about how the system without having played it.

Please tell me where I have gone on and on about the system.  I have never made any comments about the system that I am aware of.

[Neil]

Unfortunately you come off more as a 4th Ed fanboi who cries whenever we say something mean about it. 

Or just a troll.

At any rate, I'll probably never play 4th edition.  My reasons are many, but paramount is this:  As you get older, and people get wives and kids, it's hard to get a game together.  A bunch of guys in my group got together to playtest it while I was in Europe.  The response was largely negative.

[Savonarola]

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th]

So fuck off and die, preferably of some awful disease that you picked up in Chinkland.

If I end up with a disease like that I'll make sure to infect you and yours before I expire

You should stockpile ether in case it's an STD.

[Jacob]

Please tell me where I have gone on and on about the system.  I have never made any comments about the system that I am aware of.

Ok.  Maybe you haven't.   

Really, I just wanted to post something about "nerdrage".

[Syt]

This thread has broken several levels of nerd barriers.

[Valmy]

At any rate, I'll probably never play 4th edition.  My reasons are many, but paramount is this:  As you get older, and people get wives and kids, it's hard to get a game together.  A bunch of guys in my group got together to playtest it while I was in Europe.  The response was largely negative.

My wife and my friends kids are playing with us.  Which is one of the reasons it is taking so long to get everybody ready to play.  When it was just us guys we had our priorities straight.

[Neil]

I've read the Forgotten Realms 4th Edition Players Guide.  I have twenty-one years of experience with the Forgotten Realms setting.  I would say that I have as much experience as anybody on this forum, and probably more.

If you were paying attention you would've noticed that I agree with you on the 4E Forgotten Realms and am not you castigating on that end.  You for your part have not said anything particularly outlandish (once the usual Neil filter has been applied of course).  You've read the new FR stuff and compared to what you know, you think it's shit.  That's a fair assessment based on actual knowledge, and one I agree with.

The main target of my mocking is Valmy who's going on about how the system without having played it.

I talked shit about 'Artillery'.  Although the explanation you gave is sensible, the whole thing still rubs me the wrong way.  It immediately makes me think I'm playing Warhammer.

So fuck off and die, preferably of some awful disease that you picked up in Chinkland.

If I end up with a disease like that I'll make sure to infect you and yours before I expire

Actually, funny thing, I'm panimmune.  Still, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't kill my wife with your slanty-eyed viruses.

[Jacob]

Or just a troll.

At any rate, I'll probably never play 4th edition.  My reasons are many, but paramount is this:  As you get older, and people get wives and kids, it's hard to get a game together.  A bunch of guys in my group got together to playtest it while I was in Europe.  The response was largely negative.

Fair enough, if your group isn't into it it isn't worth it.  God knows there is more than enough material out there to run games in any of the older editions for a long long time.  Every so often I get a strong hankering to run a 1 - 36 BECMI campaign... mainly to get to Test of the Warlords, my favourite module ever.