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Started by Jacob, March 02, 2012, 01:54:45 PM

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Siege

Quote from: Sheilbh on March 03, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:50:19 PM
You do realize many Chabad Lubavitch members are anti-israeli, right?
Yes.  Some are. I think Goldberg meant the ones who aren't.

I think Goldberg didn't know what the fuck he was talking about, like most liberal american jews.
Talk about partisan.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Sheilbh

Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
I think Goldberg didn't know what the fuck he was talking about, like most liberal american jews.
Talk about partisan.
Okay.  I don't think you know a great deal about him if you think he's entirely ignorant, simply liberal or like most 'liberal American Jews'.

Edit:  He is also a superb journalist.  His earlier Atlantic coverpiece on Pakistan was brilliant.
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:28:22 PM


I know a lot about Obama. I juyst need to look at the state of the US Army today.
No money for training, 200 rounds per machinegun to qualify our gunners, no match ammo for sniper rifles whatsoever, very limited ammount of blanks for tactical exercises, repair orders now take months waiting for spare parts, both for weapons and vehicles, etc.

These days we make noise with our mouths to simulate blanks: "Bugbugbuget cuts cutscutscuts!!".
This is how we are training. Never seen anything like this before. You don't fuck around with training.
Whatever we don't train today realistically, we will pay for with blood later on when we deploy.

Who are the ones bitching about spending in Washington?  It's not the Dems...  You've already shown what you know about Obama when you  lifted some false quotes from one of his books.  Think on that for a moment.  Someone who doesn't like Obama thought so lowly of people like you that they attempted to trick you into hating the man by writing lies and claiming that they are in Obama's book.  That person, whoever he is may be, hates Obama, but he holds you in utter contempt.  He fooled you and made you look like an idiot.  And knowing that, you are still doing what he wants you to.  Are you going to continue to be some tool for people who hate you?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

Raz, the man is a big goverment commie, for high taxes and against free enterprise.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Raz, the man is a big goverment commie, for high taxes and against free enterprise.

Says who?  His enemies?  The people who want to trick you?  And higher taxes is what you need.  That's where the money for your training comes from.  It's not like the Army is making a profit.  Listening to what the GOP says about Obama is like listening to Hamas says about Israel.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Hansmeister

Quote from: Jacob on March 03, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 02:15:12 AMObama is afraid that an attack by Israel would cause a persian gulf crisis that would have oil prices going through the roof, sinking his already slim reelection chance.  Bluffing Israel into inaction until after the election makes perfect sense to Obama.

Hey Hansie, are you are Romney guy or a Santorum guy? Or do you favour someone else?

I don't like anyone in the field.  Romney is a competent manager but doesn't have any fixed principles, I doubt he has a strong enough mooring to address our serious structural problems.  Santorum is better on that front, but has the wrong priorities for these times, and lacks any observable management skills.

Romney will most likely be the nominee given the GOP tradition of always nominating the person considered next in line, and given that Romney is strongest where Obama is weakest he is also the most likely to win the election in November:  Romney has great management talent, while Obama is incompetent; Romney is non-ideological, while Obama is an extremist; Romney is relatively modest (for a politician), while Obama is delusional (This week he compared himself favorably to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, a few weeks ago he thought he was greater than Lincoln and FDR).

The US needs a transformative President, but it looks like it won't happen this election cycle around.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Martinus on March 03, 2012, 03:05:47 AM
Hey, if a fatso with a squeaky voice says so, it must be true.

Btw, what's up with Republicans being fat, ugly and sounding like bitches? I mean, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Hansmeister. They all look like they must have been really bullied at school. Does this victimization create future Republicans or are they picked on because already there is something wrong with them during their early years and other kids see that?

They get married young and let themselves go.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

grumbler

Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
I know a lot about Obama. I juyst need to look at the state of the US Army today.
No money for training, 200 rounds per machinegun to qualify our gunners, no match ammo for sniper rifles whatsoever, very limited ammount of blanks for tactical exercises, repair orders now take months waiting for spare parts, both for weapons and vehicles, etc.

These days we make noise with our mouths to simulate blanks: "Bugbugbuget cuts cutscutscuts!!".
This is how we are training. Never seen anything like this before. You don't fuck around with training.
Whatever we don't train today realistically, we will pay for with blood later on when we deploy.
Army leadership is incompetent.  Film at 11.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Neil

Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 03, 2012, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 03, 2012, 09:13:28 PM
When did you become a liberal?
You KNOW Obama fucking hates Israel, almost as much as he hates America, and see Israel as an imperialist/colonialist enterprise.
Obama wants socialism in America, and if we let him, he will DESTROY this country.

Make no mistake, Obama ain't muslim, but he is atheist-socialist and subscribe to the ideology of liberation.

I thought you weren't going to post drunk any more.

If I were you, I'd stick to the moon landing conspiracy.  You have far more credibility on that issue than you do foaming at the mouth over a man you seem to know nothing whatsoever about.
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I know a lot about Obama. I juyst need to look at the state of the US Army today.
No money for training, 200 rounds per machinegun to qualify our gunners, no match ammo for sniper rifles whatsoever, very limited ammount of blanks for tactical exercises, repair orders now take months waiting for spare parts, both for weapons and vehicles, etc.

These days we make noise with our mouths to simulate blanks: "Bugbugbuget cuts cutscutscuts!!".
This is how we are training. Never seen anything like this before. You don't fuck around with training.
Whatever we don't train today realistically, we will pay for with blood later on when we deploy.
You're just going to have to get used to living in the 21st century.  The army isn't really a priority anymore, and you guys will have to get used to not just having unlimited amounts of money shoveled at you.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

grumbler

Quote from: Neil on March 04, 2012, 10:06:18 AM
You're just going to have to get used to living in the 21st century.  The army isn't really a priority anymore, and you guys will have to get used to not just having unlimited amounts of money shoveled at you.

You gotta admit that spending money on people who think the noise "Bugbugbuget" sounds like weapons firing blanks is kinda pointless.  I'm not surprised the Army doesn't trust people like that with even blank ammo.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Ideologue

Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 03:19:24 AM
Btw, I'm not a partisan, I'm an ideologue, there is a big difference between the two.

The C & D's in the mail.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Ideologue

Quote from: citizen k on March 03, 2012, 03:25:31 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 03:19:24 AM

Btw, I'm not a partisan, I'm an ideologue, there is a big difference between the two.

Both are intractable.

Untrue.  I've been tracted. :(
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Razgovory

Quote from: Hansmeister on March 04, 2012, 12:58:50 AM
Quote from: Jacob on March 03, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 02:15:12 AMObama is afraid that an attack by Israel would cause a persian gulf crisis that would have oil prices going through the roof, sinking his already slim reelection chance.  Bluffing Israel into inaction until after the election makes perfect sense to Obama.

Hey Hansie, are you are Romney guy or a Santorum guy? Or do you favour someone else?

I don't like anyone in the field.  Romney is a competent manager but doesn't have any fixed principles, I doubt he has a strong enough mooring to address our serious structural problems.  Santorum is better on that front, but has the wrong priorities for these times, and lacks any observable management skills.

Romney will most likely be the nominee given the GOP tradition of always nominating the person considered next in line, and given that Romney is strongest where Obama is weakest he is also the most likely to win the election in November:  Romney has great management talent, while Obama is incompetent; Romney is non-ideological, while Obama is an extremist; Romney is relatively modest (for a politician), while Obama is delusional (This week he compared himself favorably to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, a few weeks ago he thought he was greater than Lincoln and FDR).

The US needs a transformative President, but it looks like it won't happen this election cycle around.

Just out of curiosity, what do you want to transform the US into?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Hansmeister

Quote from: Razgovory on March 04, 2012, 08:22:03 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 04, 2012, 12:58:50 AM
Quote from: Jacob on March 03, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 03, 2012, 02:15:12 AMObama is afraid that an attack by Israel would cause a persian gulf crisis that would have oil prices going through the roof, sinking his already slim reelection chance.  Bluffing Israel into inaction until after the election makes perfect sense to Obama.

Hey Hansie, are you are Romney guy or a Santorum guy? Or do you favour someone else?

I don't like anyone in the field.  Romney is a competent manager but doesn't have any fixed principles, I doubt he has a strong enough mooring to address our serious structural problems.  Santorum is better on that front, but has the wrong priorities for these times, and lacks any observable management skills.

Romney will most likely be the nominee given the GOP tradition of always nominating the person considered next in line, and given that Romney is strongest where Obama is weakest he is also the most likely to win the election in November:  Romney has great management talent, while Obama is incompetent; Romney is non-ideological, while Obama is an extremist; Romney is relatively modest (for a politician), while Obama is delusional (This week he compared himself favorably to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, a few weeks ago he thought he was greater than Lincoln and FDR).

The US needs a transformative President, but it looks like it won't happen this election cycle around.

Just out of curiosity, what do you want to transform the US into?
My first priority would be to simply keep the US from going bankrupt, something that was a long-range problem, but has been turned into a short-range problem by the current administration.  To achive that you need to replace the current tax system with a much simpler one focus on raising the revenue needed to run the government instead of getting the people to dance like marionettes in order for them to keep their money.  You will have to end the entitlement culture that promises something for nothing by stealing from future generations (i.e. the present value of any future entitlement would have to be immediately accounted for, you know, as is required to by law for every corporation in the country).

Those two things will have to be prioritized above everything else.  The Democrats in Congress have proven unfit to govern by outright refusing to even propose a budget for three years running in direct violation of federal law.  The WH has projected massive deficits as far as the eye can see, even under the impropably optimistic and unrealistic assumption they use to game the system, while refusing to address the deficits at all (Obama's deficit reduction proposal last year actual would've increased the deficit).  The Democrats have proven to be reactionary defendants of the entitlement state, wedden to the failed system and committed to ever expanding it without serious reform.  As Margaret Thatcher once said, the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.  We are rapidly approaching that state.  The shocking thing is the completely head in the sand approach the Democrats are taking to this.  It is pretty obvious that voting for the Democrats today is voting to go the way of Greece.

The problem with both Romney and Santorum is that I don't see either one fixing this, at best the will take measures around the edges that will stave off ultimate collapse for a little longer.  Of course they country might simply not be ready yet, which is the sad part.  Rep. Paul Ryan seems the only senior political figure who really grasps the enormity of what we're confronting today.

As far as the other candidates, Gingrich is a philosopher with ADHD and Fred Astaire Ron Paul a crank.

Razgovory

Wait, we are the world's most powerful country, with the world's largest economy.  That doesn't sound like a failed system.  If you want to balance the budget, pay your goddamn taxes.  You need to ditch the magical idea that paying less in taxes increases revenue.  But if you want states like North Carolina  to stop leaching from states like New York, be my guest.  As a federal employee maybe you could take a pay cut as well.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017