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Obama considering steep nuclear arms cuts

Started by Kleves, February 15, 2012, 11:15:02 AM

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2012, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 15, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
This include tactical nukes as well as the big strategic bombs?

The vast, vast majority--if not all, IIRC--of our tactical battlefield weapons were decommissioned a while ago.

Damn.  I am: out of date.  I was thinking of early Bush Administration consideations about expanding the number of tactical warheads as some sort of plan to make them 'conventional'.
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I remember that.  They floated that trial balloon.  That was the talk of WMDs was still hot and all sorts of dumb ideas were being floated around.  There was another one to classify Cuba as terrorist state or something like that.
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NOOOOOOO

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derspiess

Quote from: Kleves on February 15, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
Why not just abolish nuclear weapons? After all, you can't hug your children with nuclear arms. I am sure that if Obama gets rid of the US nuclear arsenal, countries like China, Russia, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, etc. will follow suit.

And then schools will have all the money they need, while the Air Force has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a bomber!
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Neil

Quote from: Ideologue on February 15, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
NOOOOOOO

Romney 2012 everybody.  Spread the message.  I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in thousands of nuclear warheads.
Don't you mean Santorum 2012?
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Quote from: Ideologue on February 15, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
NOOOOOOO

Romney 2012 everybody.  Spread the message.  I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in thousands of nuclear warheads.

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: derspiess on February 15, 2012, 01:45:38 PM
And then schools will have all the money they need, while the Air Force has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a bomber!

he he

Ideologue

Quote from: Neil on February 15, 2012, 01:49:36 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on February 15, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
NOOOOOOO

Romney 2012 everybody.  Spread the message.  I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in thousands of nuclear warheads.
Don't you mean Santorum 2012?

Too good to be true.
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grumbler

Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 15, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
This include tactical nukes as well as the big strategic bombs?

There are very few tactical nukes left.  All of the ALCMs were converted to conventional payloads, the B-57 depth bomb is gone, the SSM nukes are gone...

Just a few air-droppable bombs, if that, in the US inventory.  PGMs have a higher Pk without the storage and admin costs.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2012, 12:02:48 PM

Only that 300 bombs in the 1950s weren't enough;  maintaining enough weapons to ensure first-strike survivability and maintain a positive retaliatory capability is no longer a strategic concern.

I'm generally the peacenik here, but is that really not a strategic concern anymore? Russia has a lot of weapons, and China could build them. I realize that no one has an incentive to strike us first, but why leave open the possibility?
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Ideologue

What about the nuclear AAMs?  Those are essential to defending against the threat posed by the VVS' new "Blinder" bombers.
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derspiess

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 15, 2012, 01:45:38 PM
And then schools will have all the money they need, while the Air Force has to hold a bake sale in order to buy a bomber!

he he


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Berkut

Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2012, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 15, 2012, 11:55:22 AM
This include tactical nukes as well as the big strategic bombs?

There are very few tactical nukes left.  All of the ALCMs were converted to conventional payloads, the B-57 depth bomb is gone, the SSM nukes are gone...

Just a few air-droppable bombs, if that, in the US inventory.  PGMs have a higher Pk without the storage and admin costs.

I hope they don't get rid of that bunker buster tac nuke....
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Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
He wasn't hugged with nuclear arms so he is going to cut his own and deep. :(
:lol: That's a great line!
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