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[Berkut]

For some reason, I read the thread was going to be about a new ABBA video.

I don't think there will be any new ABBA videos...

[Razgovory]

A personal or technical foul of violent or savage nature.

Basically, flagrant is when you think the intent of the person is to fight, instigate a fight, or simply an attempt to hurt someone.

Okay, thanks.

[dps]

Actually, #1 and #3, taken just by themselves, looked to me like you could think that the beefy kid was trying to play the ball, but just lacks the athleticism to make the block. 

#3 was definitely intentional by rule. Of course, you have to realize that the rule for intentional fouls also includes excessive contact, even when nominally playing the ball. So you can have an intentional foul even if it isn't "intentional" by the english definition on intentional.

Yeah, I was going off of the general definition of intentional.  I was pretty sure that in the rules it was defined in a more technical manner, but wasn't sure of the details.

[Capetan Mihali]

Flagrant Foul #3 looks like the kid's face went right into 34's sweaty armpit.

[Ideologue]

Bill Laimbeer found the fountain of youth.

Hey, a sports joke I got.

[Ideologue]

Anyway, after reviewing the video:  if I could breathe after Foul #5 (the clothesline), I'd have punched 34 in the fucking face.  But then, I played soccer, where this is red card worthy, but still basically acceptable behavior.

[Berkut]

Actually, #1 and #3, taken just by themselves, looked to me like you could think that the beefy kid was trying to play the ball, but just lacks the athleticism to make the block. 

#3 was definitely intentional by rule. Of course, you have to realize that the rule for intentional fouls also includes excessive contact, even when nominally playing the ball. So you can have an intentional foul even if it isn't "intentional" by the english definition on intentional.

Yeah, I was going off of the general definition of intentional.  I was pretty sure that in the rules it was defined in a more technical manner, but wasn't sure of the details.

Yeah, the technical definition includes:

A foul shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact.

I think they actually added that phrase a few years ago, before that they just wanted it called that way.

They really should change the name to something else. I don't know how many times I have to hear "but he played the ball! He didn't mean to piledrive that kid into the floor like that! How can the be intentional???"

[dps]

Actually, #1 and #3, taken just by themselves, looked to me like you could think that the beefy kid was trying to play the ball, but just lacks the athleticism to make the block. 

#3 was definitely intentional by rule. Of course, you have to realize that the rule for intentional fouls also includes excessive contact, even when nominally playing the ball. So you can have an intentional foul even if it isn't "intentional" by the english definition on intentional.

Yeah, I was going off of the general definition of intentional.  I was pretty sure that in the rules it was defined in a more technical manner, but wasn't sure of the details.

Yeah, the technical definition includes:

A foul shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact.

I think they actually added that phrase a few years ago, before that they just wanted it called that way.

They really should change the name to something else. I don't know how many times I have to hear "but he played the ball! He didn't mean to piledrive that kid into the floor like that! How can the be intentional???"

What about situations towards the end of a game, when a team is deliberately trying to foul the player who has the ball in order to stop the clock?  Isn't that an intentional foul, even if there's no excessive contact?

Also, is "excessive contact" itself defined, or is it a judgement call?

[Berkut]

Actually, #1 and #3, taken just by themselves, looked to me like you could think that the beefy kid was trying to play the ball, but just lacks the athleticism to make the block. 

#3 was definitely intentional by rule. Of course, you have to realize that the rule for intentional fouls also includes excessive contact, even when nominally playing the ball. So you can have an intentional foul even if it isn't "intentional" by the english definition on intentional.

Yeah, I was going off of the general definition of intentional.  I was pretty sure that in the rules it was defined in a more technical manner, but wasn't sure of the details.

Yeah, the technical definition includes:

A foul shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact.

I think they actually added that phrase a few years ago, before that they just wanted it called that way.

They really should change the name to something else. I don't know how many times I have to hear "but he played the ball! He didn't mean to piledrive that kid into the floor like that! How can the be intentional???"

What about situations towards the end of a game, when a team is deliberately trying to foul the player who has the ball in order to stop the clock?  Isn't that an intentional foul, even if there's no excessive contact?

Technically, yes. Practically, the expectation is that you make an effort to play the ball, and as long as you do we will pretend like we don't know that you are fouling to stop the clock.

That is why if you see a "stop the clock" foul NOT against the ball handler, it must almost always be intentional. Otherwise, they would just tackle the worst free throw shooter. So the deal is that we will pretend we don't know you are just trying to stop the clock, but you have to be fouling the ball handler - hence the offense has the chance to get that ball to a decent free throw shooter.

Also, is "excessive contact" itself defined, or is it a judgement call?

Judgement call.

[Ideologue]

It can be a kiss upon the cheek, a stroke of the hair, a gentle caress of the buttock.

Or a guy pulling you by your neck in midair and planting you into the hardwood.

[jimmy olsen]

It can be a kiss upon the cheek, a stroke of the hair, a gentle caress of the buttock.

Or a guy pulling you by your neck in midair and planting you into the hardwood.

Doing the former would likely result in the later.

[crazy canuck]

I agree that #2 is just a common foul.  Unless I'm missing something, so is #6.

#6 started out as a foul but when he continued with the motion of the arm and ripped the other kid down to the ground imo that is when it became flagrant.