Which fictional Evil Organization is the Evilest, Most Badass

[citizen k]

John Hurt in all his skinny pale glory.

The beauty of filming in England was that they didn't have to change much.

[citizen k]

  An authoritarian organization with no internal dissension or competition? 

Didn't Winston meet an ex-party member while in prison?

[Razgovory]

What I found odd was that Ingsoc only really focused on the ruling elite.  80% of the population were considered "Proles", who had no political consciousness and the party didn't bother with to much. I suppose this is a relic of Orwell's Leninist outlook, and perhaps a refusal of the Socialist Left to believe the stories of famine and mass murder coming out of the Soviet union during the 1930's.  The real Soviet Union slaughtered millions of common people.  You could be a peasant and still get thrown in the gulag.  The real Soviet Union didn't have shortages of goods because of contrived wars, but because of an inefficient economic system.

[Camerus]

Certain elements of 1984 are exaggerated for cautionary and shock effect, but OTOH if you read accounts of life in, say, North Korea, 1984 doesn't seem terribly far-fetched after all...

[Razgovory]

I think it reflects Trotskiest thought rather then exaggeration.  The problem with the Soviet Union wasn't that the ruling party was hijacked by the evil Stalin/Big Brother.  It was because the party and the state it created was defective.

[Ideologue]

True.  The underlying problem with the USSR was the notion that a society and economy could be efficiently governed without feedback.  Since feedback methods (democracy, the market) were deemed inimical to communism (i.e., the personal power of CPSU members), they did away with them.  The result was stagnation and ultimately destruction, and more unfortunately a black mark on socialist ideologies of all stripes, even the ones that don't take it as a matter of faith that democracy and markets can be wholesale abandoned and everything will turn out okay.

[jimmy olsen]

Nineteen Eighty Four's INGSOC, hands down. And in the end, they still win.

The rest ain't efficient, they are just a bunch of mooks run by slightly more carismatic officers, but ultimately as useless.

That's fine.  Ingsoc struck me as about as believable an organization as Cobra.

It's not that out there when you consider how insane North Korea is.

[Ideologue]

I want you to go over my list of problems with Ingsoc's plausibility and tell me how North Korea answers all those.

[CountDeMoney]

Anyway, Ingsoc wasn't very plausible to me.  An authoritarian organization with no internal dissension or competition?

They were executing them.

[CountDeMoney]

Plus the chick had full bush in the movie.

That shit was so foul, I was expecting Robert Duvall to call in fast movers and blow the treeline back a couple klicks.

[Ideologue]

Man, you guys sure are into culturally specific standards of beauty and the vagaries of fashion.

[CountDeMoney]

Man, you guys sure are into culturally specific standards of beauty and the vagaries of fashion.

I like hardwood floors.  Shag went out in the '70s.

[Barrister]

I've not actually heard of any of those, so I'll go with THRUSH.   

That was going to be my vote.

[Syt]

Fuck, I said badass. Now I have to watch the unarmed badass Viking Skyrim video again. Thanks, Syt.

That guy should see someone about his Tourette's.

[grumbler]

Fuck, I said badass. Now I have to watch the unarmed badass Viking Skyrim video again. Thanks, Syt.

That guy should see someone about his Tourette's.

He enchanted his daedric books with Tourette's.  That was good shit.