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Started by jimmy olsen, December 03, 2011, 12:53:59 AM

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Alcibiades

John Stewart reported on this, but said it was 7.7 trillion in secret bailouts, and that the treasury or congress didn't even know.

His new segment:  "How the f#@k is it that Martha Stewart went to jail?"
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-1-2011/america-s-next-tarp-model?xrs=share_copy


Apparently lent all that money out for .01% interest, and then the banks used it to buy treasury bonds that yielded 3% interest.  AWESOME.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
John Stewart reported on this, but said it was 7.7 trillion in secret bailouts, and that the treasury or congress didn't even know.

His new segment:  "How the f#@k is it that Martha Stewart went to jail?"
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-1-2011/america-s-next-tarp-model?xrs=share_copy


Apparently lent all that money out for .01% interest, and then the banks used it to buy treasury bonds that yielded 3% interest.  AWESOME.

Here's the bloomberg article he references. I couldn't fit it all, so if you want to finish it, click on the link.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html

QuoteThe Federal Reserve and the big banks fought for more than two years to keep details of the largest bailout in U.S. history a secret. Now, the rest of the world can see what it was missing.

The Fed didn't tell anyone which banks were in trouble so deep they required a combined $1.2 trillion on Dec. 5, 2008, their single neediest day. Bankers didn't mention that they took tens of billions of dollars in emergency loans at the same time they were assuring investors their firms were healthy. And no one calculated until now that banks reaped an estimated $13 billion of income by taking advantage of the Fed's below-market rates, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its January issue.

Saved by the bailout, bankers lobbied against government regulations, a job made easier by the Fed, which never disclosed the details of the rescue to lawmakers even as Congress doled out more money and debated new rules aimed at preventing the next collapse.

A fresh narrative of the financial crisis of 2007 to 2009 emerges from 29,000 pages of Fed documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and central bank records of more than 21,000 transactions. While Fed officials say that almost all of the loans were repaid and there have been no losses, details suggest taxpayers paid a price beyond dollars as the secret funding helped preserve a broken status quo and enabled the biggest banks to grow even bigger.
'Change Their Votes'

"When you see the dollars the banks got, it's hard to make the case these were successful institutions," says Sherrod Brown, a Democratic Senator from Ohio who in 2010 introduced an unsuccessful bill to limit bank size. "This is an issue that can unite the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. There are lawmakers in both parties who would change their votes now."

The size of the bailout came to light after Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News, won a court case against the Fed and a group of the biggest U.S. banks called Clearing House Association LLC to force lending details into the open.

The Fed, headed by Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, argued that revealing borrower details would create a stigma -- investors and counterparties would shun firms that used the central bank as lender of last resort -- and that needy institutions would be reluctant to borrow in the next crisis. Clearing House Association fought Bloomberg's lawsuit up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which declined to hear the banks' appeal in March 2011.

$7.77 Trillion

The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he "wasn't aware of the magnitude." It dwarfed the Treasury Department's better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.

"TARP at least had some strings attached," says Brad Miller, a North Carolina Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, referring to the program's executive-pay ceiling. "With the Fed programs, there was nothing."

Bankers didn't disclose the extent of their borrowing. On Nov. 26, 2008, then-Bank of America (BAC) Corp. Chief Executive Officer Kenneth D. Lewis wrote to shareholders that he headed "one of the strongest and most stable major banks in the world." He didn't say that his Charlotte, North Carolina-based firm owed the central bank $86 billion that day.
'Motivate Others'

JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon told shareholders in a March 26, 2010, letter that his bank used the Fed's Term Auction Facility "at the request of the Federal Reserve to help motivate others to use the system." He didn't say that the New York-based bank's total TAF borrowings were almost twice its cash holdings or that its peak borrowing of $48 billion on Feb. 26, 2009, came more than a year after the program's creation.

Howard Opinsky, a spokesman for JPMorgan (JPM), declined to comment about Dimon's statement or the company's Fed borrowings. Jerry Dubrowski, a spokesman for Bank of America, also declined to comment.

The Fed has been lending money to banks through its so- called discount window since just after its founding in 1913. Starting in August 2007, when confidence in banks began to wane, it created a variety of ways to bolster the financial system with cash or easily traded securities. By the end of 2008, the central bank had established or expanded 11 lending facilities catering to banks, securities firms and corporations that couldn't get short-term loans from their usual sources.
'Core Function'

"Supporting financial-market stability in times of extreme market stress is a core function of central banks," says William B. English, director of the Fed's Division of Monetary Affairs. "Our lending programs served to prevent a collapse of the financial system and to keep credit flowing to American families and businesses."

The Fed has said that all loans were backed by appropriate collateral. That the central bank didn't lose money should "lead to praise of the Fed, that they took this extraordinary step and they got it right," says Phillip Swagel, a former assistant Treasury secretary under Henry M. Paulson and now a professor of international economic policy at the University of Maryland.

The Fed initially released lending data in aggregate form only. Information on which banks borrowed, when, how much and at what interest rate was kept from public view.

The secrecy extended even to members of President George W. Bush's administration who managed TARP. Top aides to Paulson weren't privy to Fed lending details during the creation of the program that provided crisis funding to more than 700 banks, say two former senior Treasury officials who requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak.
Big Six

The Treasury Department relied on the recommendations of the Fed to decide which banks were healthy enough to get TARP money and how much, the former officials say. The six biggest U.S. banks, which received $160 billion of TARP funds, borrowed as much as $460 billion from the Fed, measured by peak daily debt calculated by Bloomberg using data obtained from the central bank. Paulson didn't respond to a request for comment.

The six -- JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup Inc. (C), Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) and Morgan Stanley -- accounted for 63 percent of the average daily debt to the Fed by all publicly traded U.S. banks, money managers and investment- services firms, the data show. By comparison, they had about half of the industry's assets before the bailout, which lasted from August 2007 through April 2010. The daily debt figure excludes cash that banks passed along to money-market funds.
Bank Supervision

While the emergency response prevented financial collapse, the Fed shouldn't have allowed conditions to get to that point, says Joshua Rosner, a banking analyst with Graham Fisher & Co. in New York who predicted problems from lax mortgage underwriting as far back as 2001. The Fed, the primary supervisor for large financial companies, should have been more vigilant as the housing bubble formed, and the scale of its lending shows the "supervision of the banks prior to the crisis was far worse than we had imagined," Rosner says.

Bernanke in an April 2009 speech said that the Fed provided emergency loans only to "sound institutions," even though its internal assessments described at least one of the biggest borrowers, Citigroup, as "marginal."

On Jan. 14, 2009, six days before the company's central bank loans peaked, the New York Fed gave CEO Vikram Pandit a report declaring Citigroup's financial strength to be "superficial," bolstered largely by its $45 billion of Treasury funds. The document was released in early 2011 by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, a panel empowered by Congress to probe the causes of the crisis.
'Need Transparency'

Andrea Priest, a spokeswoman for the New York Fed, declined to comment, as did Jon Diat, a spokesman for Citigroup.

"I believe that the Fed should have independence in conducting highly technical monetary policy, but when they are putting taxpayer resources at risk, we need transparency and accountability," says Alabama Senator Richard Shelby, the top Republican on the Senate Banking Committee.

Judd Gregg, a former New Hampshire senator who was a lead Republican negotiator on TARP, and Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who chaired the House Financial Services Committee, both say they were kept in the dark.

"We didn't know the specifics," says Gregg, who's now an adviser to Goldman Sachs.

"We were aware emergency efforts were going on," Frank says. "We didn't know the specifics."
Disclose Lending

Frank co-sponsored the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, billed as a fix for financial-industry excesses. Congress debated that legislation in 2010 without a full understanding of how deeply the banks had depended on the Fed for survival.

It would have been "totally appropriate" to disclose the lending data by mid-2009, says David Jones, a former economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York who has written four books about the central bank.

"The Fed is the second-most-important appointed body in the U.S., next to the Supreme Court, and we're dealing with a democracy," Jones says. "Our representatives in Congress deserve to have this kind of information so they can oversee the Fed."

The Dodd-Frank law required the Fed to release details of some emergency-lending programs in December 2010. It also mandated disclosure of discount-window borrowers after a two- year lag.
Protecting TARP

TARP and the Fed lending programs went "hand in hand," says Sherrill Shaffer, a banking professor at the University of Wyoming in Laramie and a former chief economist at the New York Fed. While the TARP money helped insulate the central bank from losses, the Fed's willingness to supply seemingly unlimited financing to the banks assured they wouldn't collapse, protecting the Treasury's TARP investments, he says.

"Even though the Treasury was in the headlines, the Fed was really behind the scenes engineering it," Shaffer says.

Congress, at the urging of Bernanke and Paulson, created TARP in October 2008 after the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. made it difficult for financial institutions to get loans. Bank of America and New York-based Citigroup each received $45 billion from TARP. At the time, both were tapping the Fed. Citigroup hit its peak borrowing of $99.5 billion in January 2009, while Bank of America topped out in February 2009 at $91.4 billion.
No Clue

Lawmakers knew none of this.

They had no clue that one bank, New York-based Morgan Stanley (MS), took $107 billion in Fed loans in September 2008, enough to pay off one-tenth of the country's delinquent mortgages. The firm's peak borrowing occurred the same day Congress rejected the proposed TARP bill, triggering the biggest point drop ever in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. (INDU) The bill later passed, and Morgan Stanley got $10 billion of TARP funds, though Paulson said only "healthy institutions" were eligible.

Mark Lake, a spokesman for Morgan Stanley, declined to comment, as did spokesmen for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.

Had lawmakers known, it "could have changed the whole approach to reform legislation," says Ted Kaufman, a former Democratic Senator from Delaware who, with Brown, introduced the bill to limit bank size.
Moral Hazard

Kaufman says some banks are so big that their failure could trigger a chain reaction in the financial system. The cost of borrowing for so-called too-big-to-fail banks is lower than that of smaller firms because lenders believe the government won't let them go under. The perceived safety net creates what economists call moral hazard -- the belief that bankers will take greater risks because they'll enjoy any profits while shifting losses to taxpayers.

If Congress had been aware of the extent of the Fed rescue, Kaufman says, he would have been able to line up more support for breaking up the biggest banks.

Byron L. Dorgan, a former Democratic senator from North Dakota, says the knowledge might have helped pass legislation to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, which for most of the last century separated customer deposits from the riskier practices of investment banking.

"Had people known about the hundreds of billions in loans to the biggest financial institutions, they would have demanded Congress take much more courageous actions to stop the practices that caused this near financial collapse," says Dorgan, who retired in January.
Getting Bigger

Instead, the Fed and its secret financing helped America's biggest financial firms get bigger and go on to pay employees as much as they did at the height of the housing bubble.

Total assets held by the six biggest U.S. banks increased 39 percent to $9.5 trillion on Sept. 30, 2011, from $6.8 trillion on the same day in 2006, according to Fed data.

For so few banks to hold so many assets is "un-American," says Richard W. Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. "All of these gargantuan institutions are too big to regulate. I'm in favor of breaking them up and slimming them down."

Employees at the six biggest banks made twice the average for all U.S. workers in 2010, based on Bureau of Labor Statistics hourly compensation cost data. The banks spent $146.3 billion on compensation in 2010, or an average of $126,342 per worker, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That's up almost 20 percent from five years earlier compared with less than 15 percent for the average worker. Average pay at the banks in 2010 was about the same as in 2007, before the bailouts.
'Wanted to Pretend'

"The pay levels came back so fast at some of these firms that it appeared they really wanted to pretend they hadn't been bailed out," says Anil Kashyap, a former Fed economist who's now a professor of economics at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. "They shouldn't be surprised that a lot of people find some of the stuff that happened totally outrageous."

Bank of America took over Merrill Lynch & Co. at the urging of then-Treasury Secretary Paulson after buying the biggest U.S. home lender, Countrywide Financial Corp. When the Merrill Lynch purchase was announced on Sept. 15, 2008, Bank of America had $14.4 billion in emergency Fed loans and Merrill Lynch had $8.1 billion. By the end of the month, Bank of America's loans had reached $25 billion and Merrill Lynch's had exceeded $60 billion, helping both firms keep the deal on track.
Prevent Collapse

Wells Fargo bought Wachovia Corp., the fourth-largest U.S. bank by deposits before the 2008 acquisition. Because depositors were pulling their money from Wachovia, the Fed channeled $50 billion in secret loans to the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank through two emergency-financing programs to prevent collapse before Wells Fargo could complete the purchase.

"These programs proved to be very successful at providing financial markets the additional liquidity and confidence they needed at a time of unprecedented uncertainty," says Ancel Martinez, a spokesman for Wells Fargo.

JPMorgan absorbed the country's largest savings and loan, Seattle-based Washington Mutual Inc., and investment bank Bear Stearns Cos. The New York Fed, then headed by Timothy F. Geithner, who's now Treasury secretary, helped JPMorgan complete the Bear Stearns deal by providing $29 billion of financing, which was disclosed at the time. The Fed also supplied Bear Stearns with $30 billion of secret loans to keep the company from failing before the acquisition closed, central bank data show. The loans were made through a program set up to provide emergency funding to brokerage firms.
'Regulatory Discretion'

"Some might claim that the Fed was picking winners and losers, but what the Fed was doing was exercising its professional regulatory discretion," says John Dearie, a former speechwriter at the New York Fed who's now executive vice president for policy at the Financial Services Forum, a Washington-based group consisting of the CEOs of 20 of the world's biggest financial firms. "The Fed clearly felt it had what it needed within the requirements of the law to continue to lend to Bear and Wachovia."

The bill introduced by Brown and Kaufman in April 2010 would have mandated shrinking the six largest firms.

"When a few banks have advantages, the little guys get squeezed," Brown says. "That, to me, is not what capitalism should be."

Kaufman says he's passionate about curbing too-big-to-fail banks because he fears another crisis.

'Can We Survive?'

"The amount of pain that people, through no fault of their own, had to endure -- and the prospect of putting them through it again -- is appalling," Kaufman says. "The public has no more appetite for bailouts. What would happen tomorrow if one of these big banks got in trouble? Can we survive that?"

Lobbying expenditures by the six banks that would have been affected by the legislation rose to $29.4 million in 2010 compared with $22.1 million in 2006, the last full year before credit markets seized up -- a gain of 33 percent, according to OpenSecrets.org, a research group that tracks money in U.S. politics. Lobbying by the American Bankers Association, a trade organization, increased at about the same rate, OpenSecrets.org reported.

Lobbyists argued the virtues of bigger banks. They're more stable, better able to serve large companies and more competitive internationally, and breaking them up would cost jobs and cause "long-term damage to the U.S. economy," according to a Nov. 13, 2009, letter to members of Congress from the FSF....
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KRonn

Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
John Stewart reported on this, but said it was 7.7 trillion in secret bailouts, and that the treasury or congress didn't even know.

His new segment:  "How the f#@k is it that Martha Stewart went to jail?"
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-1-2011/america-s-next-tarp-model?xrs=share_copy


Apparently lent all that money out for .01% interest, and then the banks used it to buy treasury bonds that yielded 3% interest.  AWESOME.
Wow, just wow.... To the Languish financial types, does this make sense? I guess so that banks wouldn't go out of business, and cause a worse financial debacle. But such a low loan rate? Couldn't the Fed at least make some money off of it all? The banks are even getting 3% from the US Treasury bonds, using the basically free money the Fed gave them.  :huh:

Man, I need a bail out....

Admiral Yi

Quote from: KRonn on December 03, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Wow, just wow.... To the Languish financial types, does this make sense? I guess so that banks wouldn't go out of business, and cause a worse financial debacle. But such a low loan rate? Couldn't the Fed at least make some money off of it all? The banks are even getting 3% from the US Treasury bonds, using the basically free money the Fed gave them.  :huh:

Man, I need a bail out....

The Fed could set the discount rate as high as it wants.  The purpose of a low discount rate is the same as the purpose of any expansionary monetary policy tool, to stimulate economic activity and reduce unemployment.  Everything else being equal, more people will buy homes when the mortgage rate is 4% than when it is 8%, and more people will buy cars when the car loan rate is 3% than when it is 7%.

Stonewall

The number seems to include "guarantees" which doesn't necessarily equate to actual spending. 
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grumbler

Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
Apparently lent all that money out for .01% interest, and then the banks used it to buy treasury bonds that yielded 3% interest.  AWESOME.

I can't find any evidence that this is true.  Got a source?  I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I cannot find any evidence of it.

These loans were generally short-term and have all been repaid, from what I can find.  Again, a lot of this is how you define "total loans" and "bailout."  If the Fed lends Bank A $5 billion on day one, gets it back day five, lends it to bank B on day six, gets it back day nine and lends it to bank C on day ten, has it lent $5 billion or $15 billion?  Those numbers are all just illustrative, of course.

The Fed has done "secret bailouts" for its entire existence, of course - that's one of its jobs.  If they lent money that wasn't needed, of course, then they have imposed a burden on taxpayers they should not have.  If they made the very institutions that need to be cut back to "fail-able" size larger, then the problem is worse.  But, ultimately, it is up to Congress to ensure the demise of the "too big to fail" bank conglomerations, not the Fed's.
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Quote from: Stonewall on December 03, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
The number seems to include "guarantees" which doesn't necessarily equate to actual spending.

Actually, this being the Fed none of it equates to actual spending.

Alcibiades

Quote from: grumbler on December 03, 2011, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 01:23:45 PM
Apparently lent all that money out for .01% interest, and then the banks used it to buy treasury bonds that yielded 3% interest.  AWESOME.

I can't find any evidence that this is true.  Got a source?  I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I cannot find any evidence of it.

These loans were generally short-term and have all been repaid, from what I can find.  Again, a lot of this is how you define "total loans" and "bailout."  If the Fed lends Bank A $5 billion on day one, gets it back day five, lends it to bank B on day six, gets it back day nine and lends it to bank C on day ten, has it lent $5 billion or $15 billion?  Those numbers are all just illustrative, of course.

The Fed has done "secret bailouts" for its entire existence, of course - that's one of its jobs.  If they lent money that wasn't needed, of course, then they have imposed a burden on taxpayers they should not have.  If they made the very institutions that need to be cut back to "fail-able" size larger, then the problem is worse.  But, ultimately, it is up to Congress to ensure the demise of the "too big to fail" bank conglomerations, not the Fed's.


That's what Stewart reported, apparently they made somewhere around $13 billion or so.
In the video at about 5:30 seconds they have sources and videos of people speaking about it.

Did you watch the video?  Not being snarky, just curious if you bothered.
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Admiral Yi

A Google search on "GAO Report Federal Reserve" generates interesting results. First four are the GAO report.  Then two pages of lefty sites headlined "$16 trillion in secret bailouts."  Then you start to get some legit news sites headlined "GAO Report Highlights Fed Governance Issues."

grumbler

Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 03:53:28 PM
That's what Stewart reported, apparently they made somewhere around $13 billion or so.
In the video at about 5:30 seconds they have sources and videos of people speaking about it.

Did you watch the video?  Not being snarky, just curious if you bothered.

Some uncredited dude says on July 24, 2010 that "if you were a bank, you could borrow the money for free from the Fed at zero and reinvest it in treasuries that pay three percent" and you accept that (on a comedy show) this is what, in fact, actually happened?

I was looking for an actual source. 

And, again, the $7.7 trillion is made to sound like that money was all loaned out at once.  In fact, according to the Bloomberg story, that isn't the case.
QuoteThe six biggest U.S. banks, which received $160 billion of TARP funds, borrowed as much as $460 billion from the Fed, measured by peak daily debt calculated by Bloomberg using data obtained from the central bank. Paulson didn't respond to a request for comment.

The six -- JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup Inc. (C), Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) and Morgan Stanley -- accounted for 63 percent of the average daily debt to the Fed by all publicly traded U.S. banks, money managers and investment- services firms, the data show.

So the most that was ever owed on any day was $460B/0.63  = $730 billion.  As moneys were paid back and borrowed again, the volume naturally accumulated, but it was (in essence) the same "money" being loaned/guaranteed over and over.

The $13 billion in bank profits from this is also rather dubiously calculated, from what I see.  Bloomberg assumes that banks got the same return on these short-term loans that they got on all loans.  I'd have to question that.
QuoteThe 190 firms for which data were available would have produced income of $13 billion, assuming all of the bailout funds were invested at the margins reported, the data show.
All quotes from http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html
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I trust John Stewart more than CNN or Fox News.   :swiss:
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 03, 2011, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 03, 2011, 11:07:06 PM
I trust John Stewart more than CNN or Fox News.   :swiss:

Foolish.

Well, more then CNN yeah.  Fox News, sure.  I remember a poll showing that Daily Show viewers were better informed then Fox News viewers (though Fox News viewers thought, they were well informed.
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