NCAA Hoops 2011-2012

[grumbler]

No, every D-1 conference gets 1 automatic bid, of which there are 31 last count.

And they voted to make that the tourney champ, not the regular season champ, for what that's worth (though they may have changed that - I haven't been following the rules much).

The clear advantage to that is that there is only one tourney champ, while there are often multiple regular-season champs (see:  the B10 this year).  The disadvantage is that the body of work doesn't count so much for the bubble teams.

You have to pick your poison.

[sbr]

I am almost certain it is each individual conference's choice as to who receives the auto bid.  I heard that the Ivy league is the only one that still sends their regular season champ to the NCAA tourney, I assume that means they don't have a post-season tournament but I;m not sure.

[Berkut]

sbr is correct, it is everyone's choice.

It used to be that the Pac-10 was one of the few conferences left that sent their regular season champion as the auto bid, but apparently someone figured out that conferences were getting more teams into the tournament (and hence more sweet, sweet cash) by leaving the possibility open that someone gets hot and wins the tournament and gets a "extra" spot for the conference.

Now only the Ivy League, who does not have a post season conference tournament, is the only D1 conference that still gives the auto bid to the regular season champion.

I don't see any problem with the multiple champions issue, surely even the B1G has a tie breaker?

[katmai]

That isn't right. The conference championship is more important than the tourney championship - MUCH more important, in fact.

Important enough that I certainly would not say Washington had a shitty year. They won the conference. Short of a deep run into the NCAA tournament, which I am sure *someday* Washington will experience, it is the biggest prize.

I'll ignore the shot at can't get past Sweet 16 
It will be a down year for Huskies if they don't get in Tourney. Which will happen if any one other than Cal wins the Conference Tourney. Like I said before 'Zona need to win it, making it just to final won't be enough.

[katmai]

Colorado upset Cal to make it a Colorado-Arizona final.

And pretty much seals it that UW won't be picked.

The winner or the Colo-Arizona game and Cal will be the only two Pac-12 teams picked on Sunday most likely.

[Berkut]

Colorado upset Cal to make it a Colorado-Arizona final.

And pretty much seals it that UW won't be picked.

The winner or the Colo-Arizona game and Cal will be the only two Pac-12 teams picked on Sunday most likely.

UW may not be picked, but I think it doesn't work that way.

The selection committee does not say "The Pac-12 gets 2 based on how strong they are, so we are taking X and Y".

Rather they will pencil in the tourney winner, then say "All right, Cal is in on record and SoS. UW...hmmmm, bubble, who else is out there on the bubble?"

I don't think Arizona making it (for example) hurts Washington's chances at all, except insofar that it is one bubble team that took a spot away. But they are taking away 1 of 30something total spots, not 1 of 2 Pac-12 spots.

[Berkut]

Sadly enough, UW losing actually hurt Arizona chances...sort of.

Had they won, and then Arizona beat them, a loss to Cal in the final could have had Arizona in a bubble spot.

But beating OSU probably hurt our RPI even more, and now playing another terrible team in Colorado RPI wise means we cannot lose to them and have any chance, since that would hammer our RPI even more.

I think it is entirely possible that after winning the Pac-12 tournament, Arizona's RPI could be LOWER after those three games than when the tournament started!

The Pac is so very, very bad this year...

[katmai]

UW may not be picked, but I think it doesn't work that way.

The selection committee does not say "The Pac-12 gets 2 based on how strong they are, so we are taking X and Y".

Rather they will pencil in the tourney winner, then say "All right, Cal is in on record and SoS. UW...hmmmm, bubble, who else is out there on the bubble?"

I don't think Arizona making it (for example) hurts Washington's chances at all, except insofar that it is one bubble team that took a spot away. But they are taking away 1 of 30something total spots, not 1 of 2 Pac-12 spots.

No, no, no I meant that Cal has better RPI and SoS, so will beat out Washington and the league down as whole it will be lucky to get more than two bids.

[katmai]

Sadly enough, UW losing actually hurt Arizona chances...sort of.

Had they won, and then Arizona beat them, a loss to Cal in the final could have had Arizona in a bubble spot.

But beating OSU probably hurt our RPI even more, and now playing another terrible team in Colorado RPI wise means we cannot lose to them and have any chance, since that would hammer our RPI even more.

I think it is entirely possible that after winning the Pac-12 tournament, Arizona's RPI could be LOWER after those three games than when the tournament started!

The Pac is so very, very bad this year...

Just beat the Buffs and don't fret over it

[Berkut]

I think Colorado has won more Pac-12 tournament games in 5 days than ASU has won in 15 years.

[katmai]

I think Colorado has won more Pac-12 tournament games in 5 days than ASU has won in 15 years.

If one gives any credence to Joe Lunardi the bracketology guru for ESPN the Pac-12 bids will be winner of the final and UW, so here's hoping he's right

[Valmy]

I think Colorado has won more Pac-12 tournament games in 5 days than ASU has won in 15 years.

Their record in their 15 years in the Big 12 9-15

Arizona should have no problem with those chumps

Texas getting whipped by Missouri means they are back on the bubble...hope they make it.  Hate to see their 14 year streak end.

[Admiral Yi]

Joe Linardi has UDub in first four out.

[Admiral Yi]

Seminoles just nipped Duke.

[Admiral Yi]

Hey Throbby, is there some super secret barber shop only basketball refs go to?  They all seem to have amazing hair.