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Lecture on executive pay and the crisis

Started by Sheilbh, November 06, 2011, 10:05:05 AM

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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 07, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
IMO Martinus is right. 
:o

I know.  It's weird.

QuoteIf anything, financial misdeeds have become over-criminalized in the US in recent deeds.

How about extrajudicial methods? :)

Just kidding...
Kinemalogue
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fhdz

Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 03:38:19 PM
Yi disagrees.

Has he hired you to dispense opinions on his behalf, like a personal assistant?
and the horse you rode in on

Razgovory

Quote from: fahdiz on November 07, 2011, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 03:38:19 PM
Yi disagrees.

Has he hired you to dispense opinions on his behalf, like a personal assistant?

No, he hired me to post silly shit to make him look good.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

fhdz

Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
No, he hired me to post silly shit to make him look good.

That sounds like a pretty fun job, honestly.
and the horse you rode in on

Razgovory

Quote from: fahdiz on November 07, 2011, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
No, he hired me to post silly shit to make him look good.

That sounds like a pretty fun job, honestly.

Seedy cuts a check to Tim every month for that.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

fhdz

Quote from: DGuller on November 06, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
I don't think you can do that, at least not since the S&L crisis.

You can. The law prohibiting it was repealed in 1999 by the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.
and the horse you rode in on

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: fahdiz on November 07, 2011, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 06, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
I don't think you can do that, at least not since the S&L crisis.

You can. The law prohibiting it was repealed in 1999 by the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Not exactly.
GLBA allowed the holding companies of deposit-taking banks to do investment banking through non-bank affiliates.  It also permitted national banks to conduct investment banking-type activities through separately capitalized subs.  So technically speaking, depositor money is still walled off in separate entities, and depositor cash cannot be used to fund investment banking activities directly, although the commercial bank can be used as a kind of reverse source of strength to bolster the investment bank affiliates.

Key thing to keep in mind is that Glass-Steagall did not prevent deposit taking banks from engaging in the securitized mortgage business or invested in mortgage backed securities.   It is also true that Glass-Steagall repeal cannot be blamed for the collapses of Bear Stearns, Lehman, or Merril Lynch (all dedicated investment banks) or AIG (an insurance company).  A feature of the latest crisis is that old-style bank runs were not a serious problem and although the FDIC fund went into significant deficit at the height of the crisis, it was later replenished by the banks.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

DGuller

Yeah, that's what I thought as well, though I wasn't very sure, so I just waited for JR to chime in.  Letting banks invest speculatively with federally insured money is a concept so stupid that even Republicans wouldn't allow it.  Again.  At least for now.

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on November 07, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, though I wasn't very sure, so I just waited for JR to chime in.  Letting banks invest speculatively with federally insured money is a concept so stupid that even Republicans wouldn't allow it.  Again.  At least for now.

But they still want to put Social Security in the Wall Street Casinos.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
But they still want to put Social Security in the Wall Street Casinos.

Yup.  Put everybody's money into options and futures.

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
Quote from: DGuller on November 07, 2011, 07:29:08 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought as well, though I wasn't very sure, so I just waited for JR to chime in.  Letting banks invest speculatively with federally insured money is a concept so stupid that even Republicans wouldn't allow it.  Again.  At least for now.

But they still want to put Social Security in the Wall Street Casinos.
Well, Republicans aren't 100% against socialism.  They're more like 99% against socialism.

fhdz

Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
But they still want to put Social Security in the Wall Street Casinos.

Out of curiosity, Raz, what's your plan for making Social Security solvent?
and the horse you rode in on

Ideologue

Quote from: fahdiz on November 07, 2011, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 07, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
But they still want to put Social Security in the Wall Street Casinos.

Out of curiosity, Raz, what's your plan for making Social Security solvent?

Would you like to hear my plan for making Social Security solvent? :)
Kinemalogue
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fhdz

Quote from: Ideologue on November 07, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
Would you like to hear my plan for making Social Security solvent? :)

Yes. Does it involve killing a bunch of elderly people?
and the horse you rode in on