American Gun Ownership Highest In 18 Years

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jimmy olsen

Yes, that's something all 15 year olds should look into getting. :huh:
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citizen k

Doesn't really deserve its own thread:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-21/germans-scramble-buy-weapons-amid-nationwide-spike-migrant-driven-crime

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All across Germany, a country with some of the most stringent gun-control laws in Europe, demand is skyrocketing for non-lethal self-defense weapons, including pepper sprays, gas pistols, flare guns, electroshock weapons and animal repellants. Germans are also applying for weapons permits in record numbers.

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In recent weeks, German newspapers have published dozens of stories with headlines such as: "Germany is Afraid — And Grabs for the Weapon," "Germans are Arming Themselves: The Demand for Weapons Explodes," "More and More People are Buying a Weapon," "Security: Hands Up!" "The Need for Security Increases," "Boom in Weapons Stores," and "Bavarians are Arming Themselves— Afraid of Refugees?"


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Quote from: citizen k on December 21, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
Doesn't really deserve its own thread:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-21/germans-scramble-buy-weapons-amid-nationwide-spike-migrant-driven-crime

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All across Germany, a country with some of the most stringent gun-control laws in Europe, demand is skyrocketing for non-lethal self-defense weapons, including pepper sprays, gas pistols, flare guns, electroshock weapons and animal repellants. Germans are also applying for weapons permits in record numbers.

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In recent weeks, German newspapers have published dozens of stories with headlines such as: "Germany is Afraid — And Grabs for the Weapon," "Germans are Arming Themselves: The Demand for Weapons Explodes," "More and More People are Buying a Weapon," "Security: Hands Up!" "The Need for Security Increases," "Boom in Weapons Stores," and "Bavarians are Arming Themselves— Afraid of Refugees?"

Good for them. Except they're behind the power curve.
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Suck it, concealed carrytards.  Going to have to stay home and shoot your own black people.

QuoteVirginia to stop recognizing concealed carry gun permits from 25 states
By Jenna Portnoy December 22 at 7:11 PM
The Washington Post

RICHMOND — Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced Tuesday that the commonwealth will no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits, part of a national push to circumvent legislatures opposed to tightening gun laws.

Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun. The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.

"While you are here, you are subject to the commonwealth's gun laws," Herring said during a news conference.

But Herring's office could not say how many people are suspected of crossing into Virginia with concealed weapons to commit crimes, and Republican lawmakers sharply criticized the move, which enforces laws already on the books.

Nevertheless, more than 6.3 million people who could legally carry concealed handguns into Virginia today will lose the privilege when the change takes effect next year. An additional 420,000 Virginians with concealed-carry permits will no longer enjoy reciprocity when they travel to six states.

That includes Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, who said the move will cripple tourism in Virginia.

"I don't go on vacation in states where I can't carry my gun," he said. "Particularly in states like New York or New Jersey, where you really need a gun. I won't go there."

He said there's no reason why Virginia shouldn't join Arizona and Alaska in doing away with concealed-carry permits altogether. If someone can own a gun legally, he said, they should be able to carry it as they please.

But high-profile mass shootings have sent policymakers searching for ways to strengthen laws in the face of partisan pushback.

In October, Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) signed an executive order to ban firearms in state office buildings. And President Obama is considering using his executive authority to bypass Congress to expand background checks.

"This has been where the gun violence prevention movement is going," said Chelsea Parsons, vice president of guns and crime policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. "In much the same way President Obama said I'm not going to wait for Congress anymore, the same can be said for leaders at the state level to really use their authority to take strong meaningful steps on this issue."

Rescinding reciprocity agreements is one of 28 strategies outlined last week in a report co-authored by Parsons on ways states can fight gun crime.

Officials in New Mexico and Florida have revoked reciprocity with a few states, but she said Virginia appears to be the first to undertake a systematic study of agreements. As a result, Herring recommended State Police sever agreements with 25 of the 30 states that recognized Virginia's concealed-handgun permits, effective Feb. 1.

Republicans and gun rights advocates reacted angrily, accusing Herring of politicizing his office to erode the Second Amendment.

"This decision is both dangerous and shameful," said Chris Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. "At a time when people are scared and desperately need the ability to defend themselves, Herring has chosen the path of making self-defense harder."

Visitors to Virginia can still carry guns openly or obtain a nonresident permit if they meet the standards set forth in the law for residents.

Unsatisfied with that standard, Del. R. Lee Ware Jr. (R-Powhatan) last month filed a bill calling for universal reciprocity, meaning Virginia would have to recognize permits from all states, the way North Carolina and Tennessee already do. Similar bills never made it to McAuliffe's desk in 2014 and 2015.

"Mark Herring consistently seeks to interpret and apply the law of the commonwealth through the lens of his own personal, political opinions," Virginia House Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) said. "He is damaging the integrity of the office he holds."

But Democrats say Herring is applying Virginia concealed-carry standards set by the General Assembly to everyone who sets foot in the state.

"This action is a reflection of the law a conservative Republican legislature has crafted over the years," Sen. A. Donald McEachin (D-Henrico) said. "And now, when the attorney general actually follows the law, conservative Republicans are squealing about it."

Herring's move is in keeping with his embrace of liberal issues as he seeks a second term.

A former state senator, he gained a national profile for refusing to defend Virginia's same-sex marriage ban and followed up with rulings siding with advocates for abortion rights and immigration reform.

Del. Robert B. Bell III (R-Albemarle), a former state prosecutor and the only declared Republican challenging him in 2017, called it "Washington-style overreach from a nakedly partisan attorney general."

Virginia law lists 20 conditions that would disqualify a person from being issued a concealed carry handgun permit. They include anyone in the United States illegally, subject to a protection from abuse order, or convicted of two or more misdemeanors.

The states losing reciprocity are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

Six states will no longer recognize Virginia's concealed-carry permits because they require mutual recognition of permits. They are: Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.

11B4V

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2015, 09:36:50 PM
Suck it, concealed carrytards.  Going to have to stay home and shoot your own black people.

QuoteVirginia to stop recognizing concealed carry gun permits from 25 states
By Jenna Portnoy December 22 at 7:11 PM
The Washington Post

RICHMOND — Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced Tuesday that the commonwealth will no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits, part of a national push to circumvent legislatures opposed to tightening gun laws.

Herring (D) said 25 states have lax laws compared with Virginia, where a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment can disqualify someone from carrying a concealed handgun. The move is in step with actions governors and attorneys general are taking to address gun violence without going through Republican-controlled legislatures.

"While you are here, you are subject to the commonwealth's gun laws," Herring said during a news conference.

But Herring's office could not say how many people are suspected of crossing into Virginia with concealed weapons to commit crimes, and Republican lawmakers sharply criticized the move, which enforces laws already on the books.

Nevertheless, more than 6.3 million people who could legally carry concealed handguns into Virginia today will lose the privilege when the change takes effect next year. An additional 420,000 Virginians with concealed-carry permits will no longer enjoy reciprocity when they travel to six states.

That includes Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, who said the move will cripple tourism in Virginia.

"I don't go on vacation in states where I can't carry my gun," he said. "Particularly in states like New York or New Jersey, where you really need a gun. I won't go there."

He said there's no reason why Virginia shouldn't join Arizona and Alaska in doing away with concealed-carry permits altogether. If someone can own a gun legally, he said, they should be able to carry it as they please.

But high-profile mass shootings have sent policymakers searching for ways to strengthen laws in the face of partisan pushback.

In October, Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) signed an executive order to ban firearms in state office buildings. And President Obama is considering using his executive authority to bypass Congress to expand background checks.

"This has been where the gun violence prevention movement is going," said Chelsea Parsons, vice president of guns and crime policy at the liberal Center for American Progress. "In much the same way President Obama said I'm not going to wait for Congress anymore, the same can be said for leaders at the state level to really use their authority to take strong meaningful steps on this issue."

Rescinding reciprocity agreements is one of 28 strategies outlined last week in a report co-authored by Parsons on ways states can fight gun crime.

Officials in New Mexico and Florida have revoked reciprocity with a few states, but she said Virginia appears to be the first to undertake a systematic study of agreements. As a result, Herring recommended State Police sever agreements with 25 of the 30 states that recognized Virginia's concealed-handgun permits, effective Feb. 1.

Republicans and gun rights advocates reacted angrily, accusing Herring of politicizing his office to erode the Second Amendment.

"This decision is both dangerous and shameful," said Chris Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. "At a time when people are scared and desperately need the ability to defend themselves, Herring has chosen the path of making self-defense harder."

Visitors to Virginia can still carry guns openly or obtain a nonresident permit if they meet the standards set forth in the law for residents.

Unsatisfied with that standard, Del. R. Lee Ware Jr. (R-Powhatan) last month filed a bill calling for universal reciprocity, meaning Virginia would have to recognize permits from all states, the way North Carolina and Tennessee already do. Similar bills never made it to McAuliffe's desk in 2014 and 2015.

"Mark Herring consistently seeks to interpret and apply the law of the commonwealth through the lens of his own personal, political opinions," Virginia House Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) said. "He is damaging the integrity of the office he holds."

But Democrats say Herring is applying Virginia concealed-carry standards set by the General Assembly to everyone who sets foot in the state.

"This action is a reflection of the law a conservative Republican legislature has crafted over the years," Sen. A. Donald McEachin (D-Henrico) said. "And now, when the attorney general actually follows the law, conservative Republicans are squealing about it."

Herring's move is in keeping with his embrace of liberal issues as he seeks a second term.

A former state senator, he gained a national profile for refusing to defend Virginia's same-sex marriage ban and followed up with rulings siding with advocates for abortion rights and immigration reform.

Del. Robert B. Bell III (R-Albemarle), a former state prosecutor and the only declared Republican challenging him in 2017, called it "Washington-style overreach from a nakedly partisan attorney general."

Virginia law lists 20 conditions that would disqualify a person from being issued a concealed carry handgun permit. They include anyone in the United States illegally, subject to a protection from abuse order, or convicted of two or more misdemeanors.

The states losing reciprocity are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

Six states will no longer recognize Virginia's concealed-carry permits because they require mutual recognition of permits. They are: Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.

I fall under LEOSA.






So......................... :blurgh:
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CountDeMoney

Nobody asked you for shit, base cop.  Now go put in a work order for the gate arm, Specialist McNutsack says it's acting up again.

CountDeMoney

QuoteWoman Who Shot at Home Depot Shoplifters: 'I Will Never Help Anybody Again'
U.S. Crime

A Michigan woman who made headlines when she fired at shoplifters attempting to flee a Home Depot parking lot told reporters Wednesday that was the last time she would ever help anyone.

In October, Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, opened fire at two suspects with her legal 9-millimeter handgun as they attempted to flee the store parking lot in an SUV, the New York Times reports. The men got away but were later arrested, and Duva-Rodriguez was charged with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.

"I made a decision in a split second," Duva-Rodriguez said in one court appearance, according to The Associated Press. "Maybe it was not the right one, but I was trying to help."

On Wednesday Duva-Rodriguez was granted 18 months probation after she entered a plea of no contest to the charge on Oct. 26. Her permit to carry a concealed weapon was revoked until at least 2023.

"I tried to help," Duva-Rodriguez told reporters after being sentenced. "And I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again."


lustindarkness

Ha! Alabama was not included on that list.  :moon:


Oh wait, we did not have reciprocity with Virginia anyway.  :blush: :Embarrass: :nelson:
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Josquius

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
QuoteWoman Who Shot at Home Depot Shoplifters: 'I Will Never Help Anybody Again'
U.S. Crime

A Michigan woman who made headlines when she fired at shoplifters attempting to flee a Home Depot parking lot told reporters Wednesday that was the last time she would ever help anyone.

In October, Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, opened fire at two suspects with her legal 9-millimeter handgun as they attempted to flee the store parking lot in an SUV, the New York Times reports. The men got away but were later arrested, and Duva-Rodriguez was charged with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.

"I made a decision in a split second," Duva-Rodriguez said in one court appearance, according to The Associated Press. "Maybe it was not the right one, but I was trying to help."

On Wednesday Duva-Rodriguez was granted 18 months probation after she entered a plea of no contest to the charge on Oct. 26. Her permit to carry a concealed weapon was revoked until at least 2023.

"I tried to help," Duva-Rodriguez told reporters after being sentenced. "And I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again."


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The Brain

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
QuoteWoman Who Shot at Home Depot Shoplifters: 'I Will Never Help Anybody Again'
U.S. Crime

A Michigan woman who made headlines when she fired at shoplifters attempting to flee a Home Depot parking lot told reporters Wednesday that was the last time she would ever help anyone.

In October, Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, opened fire at two suspects with her legal 9-millimeter handgun as they attempted to flee the store parking lot in an SUV, the New York Times reports. The men got away but were later arrested, and Duva-Rodriguez was charged with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.

"I made a decision in a split second," Duva-Rodriguez said in one court appearance, according to The Associated Press. "Maybe it was not the right one, but I was trying to help."

On Wednesday Duva-Rodriguez was granted 18 months probation after she entered a plea of no contest to the charge on Oct. 26. Her permit to carry a concealed weapon was revoked until at least 2023.

"I tried to help," Duva-Rodriguez told reporters after being sentenced. "And I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again."

Remind me: if this had been in Texas, and after sunset, it would have been totally OK?
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Quote from: The Brain on December 23, 2015, 03:49:24 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 22, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
QuoteWoman Who Shot at Home Depot Shoplifters: ‘I Will Never Help Anybody Again’
U.S. Crime

A Michigan woman who made headlines when she fired at shoplifters attempting to flee a Home Depot parking lot told reporters Wednesday that was the last time she would ever help anyone.

In October, Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez, 46, opened fire at two suspects with her legal 9-millimeter handgun as they attempted to flee the store parking lot in an SUV, the New York Times reports. The men got away but were later arrested, and Duva-Rodriguez was charged with one count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm.

“I made a decision in a split second,” Duva-Rodriguez said in one court appearance, according to The Associated Press. “Maybe it was not the right one, but I was trying to help.”

On Wednesday Duva-Rodriguez was granted 18 months probation after she entered a plea of no contest to the charge on Oct. 26. Her permit to carry a concealed weapon was revoked until at least 2023.

“I tried to help,” Duva-Rodriguez told reporters after being sentenced. “And I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again.”

Remind me: if this had been in Texas, and after sunset, it would have been totally OK?

If it had been in Florida, she probably could have been charged for NOT shooting at them.
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For the all the "then why do the states with the most gun control laws still have so much gun crime, it's gotta be the darkies, blah, blah, blah" NRA-cocksucking mouthbreathers.

QuoteAuthorities announce arrests in illegal gun operation between Tennessee and Baltimore
Jessica Anderson, The Baltimore Sun

The arrest in May of a man suspected of illegally selling eight guns in Baltimore led authorities to what they say is an illegal firearms network that brought more than 400 weapons from Tennessee to the streets of Baltimore this year.

The U.S. attorney's office, Baltimore Police Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced Tuesday the arrests of seven men on federal gun charges. U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein called the arrests "a significant step in our efforts to reduce violent crime in Baltimore."

There have been 336 homicides in the city this year, the second-highest yearly total on record.

"The individuals arrested weren't the end consumer," Rosenstein said during a news conference. "These individuals were acting as retailers who were planning to quickly resell these weapons to violent criminals in Baltimore City."

Rosenstein said the investigation began with the arrest in May of an immigrant, in the country without legal documentation, who was suspected of trying to illegally sell eight firearms in the city. That led detectives to Tennessee, where authorities arrested a seller in July, seizing 21 guns that were headed to Baltimore, Rosenstein said.

Federal and local agencies continued to work together to track down suspected purchasers, culminating in an undercover operation at a Baltimore motel on Dec. 12, when investigators sold inoperable guns to six suspects before arresting them.

Three defendants were working together to buy a fully automatic machine gun, while three others purchased other firearms, Rosenstein said.

The network was responsible for transporting more than 400 weapons from Tennessee and selling them in Baltimore throughout 2015, said William P. McMullan, special agent in charge of the Baltimore division of the ATF.

"It is definitely one of our most significant cases in a year," McMullan said. "If we weren't able to work together on this, and identify this crew, then this would've just continued."

In August, officials announced a unique partnership between federal law enforcement agencies and Baltimore police homicide detectives to reduce violence. Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said Tuesday that since July, the department has seized 25 percent more firearms than it did during the same period last year.

"In most years, a dramatic increase like that would coincide with a reduction in violence. It hasn't happened this year," he said.

But once investigators "found out a gun trafficker from the state of Tennessee was bringing on average [of] 30 firearms into our city every week, we knew we found a piece of the puzzle," Davis said.

Those charged are Rodney Donell Henson, 28, of Odenton; Antonio Darnell Ennis, 32, of Glen Burnie; Alvin Gabriel Arciaga, 28, of Brooklyn; Delray Jamare Randall, 34, of Odenton; Ernest McCutcheon, 32, of Baltimore; Leopold Fosso Kengni, 24; and Leonard Eugene Goliday, 43, of Laurel.

If convicted, Henson, Ennis, Arciaga and Kengni face up to 15 years in prison for possession of an unregistered machine gun and conspiracy charges. Randall, McCutcheon and Goliday, who are convicted felons, could each face up to 10 years for illegal possession of a firearm.

Attorneys for the defendants declined to comment or could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.

Investigators continue to pursue others associated with the trafficking ring, officials said.

And this is just one ring from one state in Dumbfuckistan.  Doesn't even count the guns pouring in from Virginia.

lustindarkness

Quote from: lustindarkness on December 19, 2015, 11:52:23 AM
Talking about guns, for a friends bachelor party, we will primitive camp in the woods of TN for a weekend,smoke cigars and shoot stuff.

Some of the more memorable of what I shot this weekend:

Browning 1919
MG42
PK
Thompson with 50 round drum
MP5
PPSH
British STEN
Swedish K
1920 Enfield
Garand


And a ridiculous amount of rifles, shotguns and guns, many fully auto.  :)
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Quote from: lustindarkness on January 03, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on December 19, 2015, 11:52:23 AM
Talking about guns, for a friends bachelor party, we will primitive camp in the woods of TN for a weekend,smoke cigars and shoot stuff.

Some of the more memorable of what I shot this weekend:

Browning 1919
MG42
PK
Thompson with 50 round drum
MP5
PPSH
British STEN
Swedish K
1920 Enfield
Garand


And a ridiculous amount of rifles, shotguns and guns, many fully auto.  :)

How'd you like the ppsh?
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"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".