Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul

[OttoVonBismarck]

I can't help but admit that in the academy when I read The Campaigns of Napoleon, one of my favorite parts is near the beginning in the brief biographical portion of the book in which it discusses how a young Napoleon Bonaparte disperses a Parisian mob with grapeshot.

That's what real order is about, and not something I'm entirely against seeing done.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't know why that translation has stuck.  Grapeshot is a naval round.  Boner fired canister.

[HVC]

and didn't he fire at the people who ended up winning the revolution?

[Admiral Yi]

and didn't he fire at the people who ended up winning the revolution?

No, he fired on members of the middle class who were trying to stage some kind of counterrevolution.  Or something like that. 

[HVC]

Ah, ok. Then i agree. Buckshot the protesters

[Admiral Yi]

Ah, ok. Then i agree. Buckshot the protesters

Cannister. 

[crazy canuck]

The occupy protestors who claim to represent the 99% in Vancouver found out yesterday they need to come up with a new slogan.  After being removed from the grounds they occupied they tried to move to a public park in an area they might have thought they would recieve support.  The park is in what might be thought of as a working class and it votes heavily in favour of the NDP (or leftist party for people who dont know).

But they were greeted by residents who told the protestors in no uncertain terms to get the hell out of their park.

I have two thoughts about that.  First, I told Grallon when this all started that the day I see the middle class join the protestors then that is the day I would think this is a bona fide political movement in Canada and not just a faux protest copying the occupy movement in the US.  Again to clarify I make no comment on the occupy movement in the US since I think the circumstances in the US are very different.  The events of last night demonstrate the hope of Grallon that this signals some kind of fundamental movement in Canada is well far of the mark.

Second,  I have been very critical of the police not enforcing the law but waiting for the Courts to tell them they can move people out through the procedure of obtaining an injunction.  One of the risks of police not enforcing the law is that private individuals might feel compelled to enforce the law themselves.  It came close to that last night but eventually City officials arrived on the scene and the protestors dispersed.  I am glad nothing more serious occurred when the protestors and local residents clashed.  But I think it provides a good warning to police that they need to be more proactive.

[HVC]

Ah, ok. Then i agree. Buckshot the protesters

Cannister. 

cannons and cannister shot are harder to procure

[Jacob]

Which park CC?

[crazy canuck]

Which park CC?

Grandview

[Barrister]

The occupy protestors who claim to represent the 99% in Vancouver found out yesterday they need to come up with a new slogan.  After being removed from the grounds they occupied they tried to move to a public park in an area they might have thought they would recieve support.  The park is in what might be thought of as a working class and it votes heavily in favour of the NDP (or leftist party for people who dont know).

But they were greeted by residents who told the protestors in no uncertain terms to get the hell out of their park.

I have two thoughts about that.  First, I told Grallon when this all started that the day I see the middle class join the protestors then that is the day I would think this is a bona fide political movement in Canada and not just a faux protest copying the occupy movement in the US.  Again to clarify I make no comment on the occupy movement in the US since I think the circumstances in the US are very different.  The events of last night demonstrate the hope of Grallon that this signals some kind of fundamental movement in Canada is well far of the mark.

Second,  I have been very critical of the police not enforcing the law but waiting for the Courts to tell them they can move people out through the procedure of obtaining an injunction.  One of the risks of police not enforcing the law is that private individuals might feel compelled to enforce the law themselves.  It came close to that last night but eventually City officials arrived on the scene and the protestors dispersed.  I am glad nothing more serious occurred when the protestors and local residents clashed.  But I think it provides a good warning to police that they need to be more proactive.

If police had moved in immediately on the first night I suspect that the protestors would have garned substantial public support for their cause.  It was by waiting, letting this all play out, and seeing what their little camps turned into, which solidly (in my opinion) turned public opinion against the protestors.

[Razgovory]

Otto's drunken rant makes me slightly more symptomatic to these idiots.

[fhdz]

Otto's drunken rant makes me slightly more symptomatic to these idiots.

"sympathetic"?

[Josephus]

The occupy protestors who claim to represent the 99% in Vancouver found out yesterday they need t

I have two thoughts about that.  First, I told Grallon when this all started that the day I see the middle class join the protestors then that is the day I would think this is a bona fide political movement in Canada and not just a faux protest copying the occupy movement in the US.  Again to clarify I make no comment on the occupy movement in the US since I think the circumstances in the US are very different.  The events of last night demonstrate the hope of Grallon that this signals some kind of fundamental movement in Canada is well far of the mark.

Didn't you say that in Vancouver the protesters were all well off university students?

[Admiral Yi]

 

Symbiotic might work too.