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Are Republicans Turning Into Libertarians?

Started by MadImmortalMan, April 23, 2009, 12:23:55 PM

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Caliga

Quote from: Habbaku on April 23, 2009, 02:03:19 PMSpellus-Speak say : All Republicans support torture.  If Republicans become Libertarians, then Libertarians will support torture.

Is it Spellus who thinks all Republicans are party ideologues, and I've been slandering Raz this whole time?  :(
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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
interesting that 13% of democrats think Big Unions are the biggest problem.  this gives them the lead.

as it goes against stereotype, anyone have thoughts on this?

Dunno. I'm a democrat who thinks big unions can be a threat. Maybe it's because the unions have a pretty important slice of the democrat pie, and the other factions see them as a threat against their own interests in that they compete for the attentions of policymakers and have a lot of cash to do it. Time spent on card check is time not spent on saving the planet, or whatever.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Queequeg on April 23, 2009, 01:52:36 PM
What kind of Libertarian tries to defend torture outside of being exposed to Rand's "novels"?   :huh:

Armenian ones.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
interesting that 13% of democrats think Big Unions are the biggest problem.  this gives them the lead.

as it goes against stereotype, anyone have thoughts on this?
The stereotype is about absolute perception of the problem, not relative to other problems.

Eddie Teach

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2009, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
interesting that 13% of democrats think Big Unions are the biggest problem.  this gives them the lead.

as it goes against stereotype, anyone have thoughts on this?

Dunno. I'm a democrat who thinks big unions can be a threat. Maybe it's because the unions have a pretty important slice of the democrat pie, and the other factions see them as a threat against their own interests in that they compete for the attentions of policymakers and have a lot of cash to do it. Time spent on card check is time not spent on saving the planet, or whatever.

I suspect low wage-earners who aren't unionized or are in ineffectual ones are most likely to pick that option.
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Caliga

Quote from: Habbaku on April 23, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 01:59:08 PM
:unsure: What generated that question?

Spellus-Speak say : All Republicans support torture.  If Republicans become Libertarians, then Libertarians will support torture.

btw is Spellus-Speak like "Speak & Spell"?  It buzzes at you if you don't spell Byzantine "BZYANTINE". ^_^
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Is it Spellus who thinks all Republicans are party ideologues, and I've been slandering Raz this whole time?  :(
Spellus has always stood in the front rank of Bush haters.  Maybe now that the Bush administration is over he's transferring his allegiance.

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Habbaku

Quote from: Caliga on April 23, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Is it Spellus who thinks all Republicans are party ideologues, and I've been slandering Raz this whole time?  :(

I don't believe Raz thinks that.  Spellus lives in his own, special world of crazy, though.
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saskganesh

Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 23, 2009, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
interesting that 13% of democrats think Big Unions are the biggest problem.  this gives them the lead.

as it goes against stereotype, anyone have thoughts on this?
The stereotype is about absolute perception of the problem, not relative to other problems.

in other words, you have no idea.
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derspiess

In my case, my slide back in the direction of libertarianism started during Bush's 2nd term.  It has accelerated in the past 100 days, of course.
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saskganesh

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 23, 2009, 02:09:23 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on April 23, 2009, 02:03:45 PM
interesting that 13% of democrats think Big Unions are the biggest problem.  this gives them the lead.

as it goes against stereotype, anyone have thoughts on this?

Dunno. I'm a democrat who thinks big unions can be a threat. Maybe it's because the unions have a pretty important slice of the democrat pie, and the other factions see them as a threat against their own interests in that they compete for the attentions of policymakers and have a lot of cash to do it. Time spent on card check is time not spent on saving the planet, or whatever.

in our own domestic, left party,  a big minority don't like the increased role unions have, guaranteed votes for example.

or it could be envy.  or memories of bad treatment by a union.
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saskganesh

humans were created in their own image

Martinus

I thought letting fags marry was the biggest threat?  :huh: