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Started by Slargos, September 06, 2011, 01:51:49 PM

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Neil

Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 06, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
The 16"/50 Mark 7 was a fantastically accurate rifle, especially with Mark 13 radar fire control.
Stipulated; however, required greater than squad deployment to effectuate sans floating mount, thus, a nullity in this discussion.
I suppose you're right.  Even a single gun mounted for coast defence would probably require the equivalent of a platoon to man it effectively.
More like a company I'd think, but I'm just guessing.
Well, you can man a triple turret with 90 men.
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dps

Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 06, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
The 16"/50 Mark 7 was a fantastically accurate rifle, especially with Mark 13 radar fire control.
Stipulated; however, required greater than squad deployment to effectuate sans floating mount, thus, a nullity in this discussion.
I suppose you're right.  Even a single gun mounted for coast defence would probably require the equivalent of a platoon to man it effectively.
More like a company I'd think, but I'm just guessing.
Well, you can man a triple turret with 90 men.

Yeah, but they're supported by lots of personnel that aren't actually in the turret, but who for a CD installation would be considered part of the gun's crew. 

Neil

Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Scipio on September 06, 2011, 07:55:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
The 16"/50 Mark 7 was a fantastically accurate rifle, especially with Mark 13 radar fire control.
Stipulated; however, required greater than squad deployment to effectuate sans floating mount, thus, a nullity in this discussion.
I suppose you're right.  Even a single gun mounted for coast defence would probably require the equivalent of a platoon to man it effectively.
More like a company I'd think, but I'm just guessing.
Well, you can man a triple turret with 90 men.
Yeah, but they're supported by lots of personnel that aren't actually in the turret, but who for a CD installation would be considered part of the gun's crew.
I wonder about that.  Maybe I can find a breakdown of gun crewing somewhere for dreadnoughts.  I have a pretty excellent reference work on French dreadnought construction...
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Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Well, you can man a triple turret with 90 men.

Yeah, but they're supported by lots of personnel that aren't actually in the turret, but who for a CD installation would be considered part of the gun's crew.

Plus, co-locating three barrels in a single turret reduces the total crew required per barrel vice a single barrel installation, since the size of the ordinance handling and fire control teams will not scale linearly with the number of barrels.

Neil

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on September 06, 2011, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: dps on September 06, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Well, you can man a triple turret with 90 men.
Yeah, but they're supported by lots of personnel that aren't actually in the turret, but who for a CD installation would be considered part of the gun's crew.
Plus, co-locating three barrels in a single turret reduces the total crew required per barrel vice a single barrel installation, since the size of the ordinance handling and fire control teams will not scale linearly with the number of barrels.
I considered that when I started thinking about it, but I'll have to look into it.  40-50 men seems adequate if 90 can man a triple.  Since rate of fire was critical, I would think that shell and powder handling would come pretty close to scaling.
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Lucidor

Wow, thanks Siege. Guns 101 for a European. :thumbsup:

Grey Fox

Yeah, that was pretty interesting.

@Siege, next time you think you are stupid reread your rifle posts. Damn self-loathing Jew.
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Threviel

Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
The 16"/50 Mark 7 was a fantastically accurate rifle, especially with Mark 13 radar fire control.

I heard that the 381mm / 50 Model 1934 naval gun was the best, but of course they didn't have radar control.

Neil

Quote from: Threviel on September 07, 2011, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:51:45 PM
The 16"/50 Mark 7 was a fantastically accurate rifle, especially with Mark 13 radar fire control.
I heard that the 381mm / 50 Model 1934 naval gun was the best, but of course they didn't have radar control.
Plus it was crewed by Italians.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.