Obama dares Republicans to block his coming jobs package

[MadImmortalMan]

I would think the TP would be pretty hard on a spendy GOP president too. If McCain had won, we'd still have the backlash against debt. Only he'd probably draw more serious primary challenges than Obama.

[Valmy]

I would think the TP would be pretty hard on a spendy GOP president too. If McCain had won, we'd still have the backlash against debt. Only he'd probably draw more serious primary challenges than Obama.

It was just a total coincidence that they showed up once Obama got elected.  Likewise it was a total coincidence the anti-war movement died once Obama got elected.

[MadImmortalMan]

They showed up before Obama got elected.

[Valmy]

Let's see what happens when President Romney/Perry/Bachman/some other goddamn loon passes a similar bill in the first year or their presidency.  You think anyone in the GOP is going to call out them out on any possible deficit problems? 

Yes.  The next GOP administration (whenever it happens) will not be a repeat of the Bush years.

Yeah the Dems said the same fucking thing yet here we are.

[Valmy]

They showed up before Obama got elected.

If they did it was just before.

[viper37]

Yes.  The next GOP administration (whenever it happens) will not be a repeat of the Bush years.

The Bush administration was not supposed to be a repeat of the Reagan years either.
Yet...
You got masssive spendings approved by a majority GOP Congress.
Most of these expenses were for:
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• A war in Iraq where the leaders of the country tought that praying would be sufficient to win the war, and as such no planning for the aftermath was necessary
• a butched operation in Afghanistan since all resources were diverted to Iraq instead of gathering intelligence on Al-Queida
• a tax cut for the very rich, wich had zero influence on the economy, and only delayed the inevitable
• inept leadership in the face of economic turmoil, some banks were helped, some were not, confusing signals sent the markets spiraling down
• help to US auto makers, wich the next govt had no choice but to continue
• creation of new agencies, and multiplication of existing hierarchy to deal with new problems
• ideologically motivated spending and cutting with regards to scientific research

Except for the 2 "hot" wars, I just don't see how it's different from Reagan.  He did run a very large deficit by increasing spending and reducing taxes, surfing on Carter's reform and pushing the country into recession by the end of its mandate.  He also socialized banks to avoid a big crisis, wich exploded while Bush Sr was in power, hence, in his case too, delaying the inevitable.

Clinton came, reduced spending, manage the deficit, paid back part of the debt, then Bush came in, did everything Reagan did with the same consequences, even worst, as he was unable to capture US Ennemy #1 while he was in US grasp as early as 2001.  Oh, and he dismantled the team charged with capturing him in 2005 saying it was not important to find him. 

All the while, he was supported in all he did by a Republican Congress.  Most of the same people still there today, pretending to be what's best for the US economy.

Frankly, I fail to see how anyone could believe them.  They are accomplices to one of the worst government in US history and now they tell us they've had a change of heart and will do things totally different if only they re-gained power?  I don't know about you, but I tend not to vote for this kind of people since, as history has proven, they keep repeating the same mistakes over&over.

The Democrats could be better if they had a President with a backbone, but it seems Obama is just as inept as Bush, the constant prayers in less.
I don't see a bright future the world's economy until someone can truly take the US #1 spot.

Could have been Canada, like in Barb Wire , but we've decided it's more important to look at the past than the future.

[Valmy]

Eh even if he did offer specifics who cares?  It is not like when he does it really means anything.

I think it would mean a lot.  Particularly since he's already talking about how he'd use it against the GOP if they were against it. 

I really hope it includes a huge extension on unemployment benefits, since the administration seems to think that's a good way to get people back to work.

Well I guess that is true and to the extent it is good politics he will but just like his balanced budget proposals I doubt it will make much difference in convincing anybody or moving policy forward.

[derspiess]

Well I guess that is true and to the extent it is good politics he will but just like his balanced budget proposals I doubt it will make much difference in convincing anybody or moving policy forward.

Did he release any details in his balanced budget proposals?  I remember hearing $4 billion or whatever, but I never heard where that was going to come from?

Maybe I'm not giving President Obama the benefit of the doubt he so richly deserves, but when I hear his administration talk about a "Jobs Bill" without any details, I assume it's just going to be more 'stimulus' spending that will again fall far short of promised job creation results.

[citizen k]

The Bush administration was not supposed to be a repeat of the Reagan years either.

Why wouldn't they have wanted to repeat the Reagan years? That seems to be the gold standard for GOP pols.

[Valmy]

Why wouldn't they have wanted to repeat the Reagan years? That seems to be the gold standard for GOP pols.

Yeah I am pretty sure that was the idea.

[Berkut]

Yes.  The next GOP administration (whenever it happens) will not be a repeat of the Bush years.

The Bush administration was not supposed to be a repeat of the Reagan years either.
Yet...
You got masssive spendings approved by a majority GOP Congress.
Most of these expenses were for:
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• A war in Iraq where the leaders of the country tought that praying would be sufficient to win the war
  

Stopped reading right there...

Crazy much?[/list][/list]

[Valmy]

Did he release any details in his balanced budget proposals?  I remember hearing $4 billion or whatever, but I never heard where that was going to come from?

Maybe I'm not giving President Obama the benefit of the doubt he so richly deserves, but when I hear his administration talk about a "Jobs Bill" without any details, I assume it's just going to be more 'stimulus' spending that will again fall far short of promised job creation results.

See I just presumed it is a political tactic without the intention of producing any results.  Anyway Obama has been in power now for 2.5 years he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Razgovory]

The Bush administration was not supposed to be a repeat of the Reagan years either.

Why wouldn't they have wanted to repeat the Reagan years? That seems to be the gold standard for GOP pols.

Well the idea was to repeat the "Mythic Reagan" years, not the real Reagan.  Mythic Reagan was a hero who saved the economy and destroyed the Soviets with harsh words.  Real Reagan was a bit more nuanced.

[jimmy olsen]

Well I guess that is true and to the extent it is good politics he will but just like his balanced budget proposals I doubt it will make much difference in convincing anybody or moving policy forward.

Did he release any details in his balanced budget proposals?  I remember hearing $4 billion or whatever, but I never heard where that was going to come from?

$3 Trillion in cuts, $1 Trillion in tax raises. The GOP should have taken it, they got way less in the end by insisting on no tax hikes.

[viper37]

Yes.  The next GOP administration (whenever it happens) will not be a repeat of the Bush years.

The Bush administration was not supposed to be a repeat of the Reagan years either.
Yet...
You got masssive spendings approved by a majority GOP Congress.
Most of these expenses were for:
[/list][list=a]

• A war in Iraq where the leaders of the country tought that praying would be sufficient to win the war
  

Stopped reading right there...

Crazy much?[/list][/list]

really, what was the plan for post-war Iraq, I mean, to stabilize the country once Saddam was toppled?  What has been done within the 1st year post-Saddam?