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Started by jimmy olsen, August 16, 2011, 09:24:26 AM

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Ideologue

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:13:42 AM

When looking at these types of issues I have a process, which starts by an initial assessment of my "gut feeling" and continues to examine the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Clearly, the gut is going to present a strong bias initially, and without burrowing deeper in this my gut is currently screaming "savages!  :mad: ".

The concept of "removing" one twin simply doesn't feel right.

OMFG IS IT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU SAY SO?

:P
Kinemalogue
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Malthus

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

The rest of us are unhappy about your parent's choice as well.  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Slargos

Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

The rest of us are unhappy about your parent's choice as well.  ;)

I have no doubt about that. Your heart is blackened not just with typical jew greed, but also with hatred.  :hmm:

Razgovory

Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

The rest of us are unhappy about your parent's choice as well.  ;)

Think about how they feel?  If I told my parents I was going to runaway to Norway and sell cabinets I'd be right back in the booby hatch.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Slargos

Quote from: Razgovory on August 17, 2011, 09:39:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

The rest of us are unhappy about your parent's choice as well.  ;)

Think about how they feel?  If I told my parents I was going to runaway to Norway and sell cabinets I'd be right back in the booby hatch.

Take responsibility for your failures instead of lashing out at me, you tit.

Malthus

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 09:38:00 AM
Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2011, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

The rest of us are unhappy about your parent's choice as well.  ;)

I have no doubt about that. Your heart is blackened not just with typical jew greed, but also with hatred.  :hmm:

You assume I possess such an organ. Other than in a jar somewhere.  :D
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Slargos

Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2011, 10:10:22 AM
You assume I possess such an organ. Other than in a jar somewhere.  :D

Granted, given you're a jew and a lawyer it was a bit presumptuous of me. I apologize.  :blush:

Razgovory

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 09:43:41 AM

Take responsibility for your failures instead of lashing out at me, you tit.

You being a disappointment to your parents is hardly my failure.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

HVC

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 03:22:14 PM
When do you tell the kid, anyway?  Over dinner after soccer practice?  "Pass the lasagna--hey, this looks like your brother!"

Learning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.
i can kind of beat that. i had a older brother who was still born (like a week or so before term). Given that i have my fathers name i've known since a young age that i basically have my dead brothers name.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Ideologue

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 16, 2011, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
I used to do so, and I was pretty obligated to oppose abortion.  If you don't, as I now don't, then the obvious outcome is that abortion is fine for any reason or no reason. 

Disappointing. Not only because you no longer agree with me, but it makes the overall tenor of your beliefs much more conventional.

That's not quite true.  Few leftists are as pro-war as I am.
Kinemalogue
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Razgovory

Quote from: Ideologue on August 17, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 16, 2011, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
I used to do so, and I was pretty obligated to oppose abortion.  If you don't, as I now don't, then the obvious outcome is that abortion is fine for any reason or no reason. 

Disappointing. Not only because you no longer agree with me, but it makes the overall tenor of your beliefs much more conventional.

That's not quite true.  Few leftists are as pro-war as I am.

Hitchens.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

Quote from: Razgovory on August 17, 2011, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 17, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 16, 2011, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 16, 2011, 11:23:22 AM
I used to do so, and I was pretty obligated to oppose abortion.  If you don't, as I now don't, then the obvious outcome is that abortion is fine for any reason or no reason. 

Disappointing. Not only because you no longer agree with me, but it makes the overall tenor of your beliefs much more conventional.

That's not quite true.  Few leftists are as pro-war as I am.

Hitchens.

I didn't say none.  And so far as I've seen, he's an excellent human being.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Eddie Teach

I said more conventional, not completely conventional.  :P
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Slargos

Quote from: Razgovory on August 17, 2011, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 09:43:41 AM

Take responsibility for your failures instead of lashing out at me, you tit.

You being a disappointment to your parents is hardly my failure.

"I know you are but what am I?"  :lmfao:

My mother didn't leave me.  :hmm:

11B4V

Quote from: Slargos on August 17, 2011, 08:13:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 16, 2011, 10:24:41 AM
QuoteUnder federal law, anyone who injures or kills a "child in utero" during a violent crime gets the same punishment as if he had injured or killed "the unborn child's mother,"

And that's just retarded. Killing a fetus (outside of a consensual abortion procedure) should carry a penalty, but equating it with a proper murder is simply wrong.

As with any discussion about morality, it's difficult to carry a conversation without first agreeing on definitions.

Certainly, an argument could probably be made that killing a fetus is not murder per se since the fetus hasn't lived enough to become a person any more than a fish or a plant. But then, we end up in the entire Potential argument, and that slope is pretty fucking slippery.

When looking at these types of issues I have a process, which starts by an initial assessment of my "gut feeling" and continues to examine the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Clearly, the gut is going to present a strong bias initially, and without burrowing deeper in this my gut is currently screaming "savages!  :mad: ".

The concept of "removing" one twin simply doesn't feel right.

QuoteLearning a few years back that I was supposed to have another older brother whom my parents aborted two years before I was born was pretty uncomfortable.

Couldn't agree more.
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