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Most overrated WW2 commander

Started by Threviel, July 28, 2011, 02:27:58 AM

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Who is the most overrated commander of WW2?

Rommel
9 (17.3%)
von Manstein
0 (0%)
Guderian
0 (0%)
von Rundstedt
1 (1.9%)
Kesselring
0 (0%)
Montgomery
11 (21.2%)
Slim
0 (0%)
Auchinleck
0 (0%)
Bomber Harris
1 (1.9%)
Cunningham
0 (0%)
de Gaulle
2 (3.8%)
Eisenhower
0 (0%)
MacArthur
7 (13.5%)
Patton
11 (21.2%)
Nimitz
1 (1.9%)
Halsey
0 (0%)
Zhukov
5 (9.6%)
Rokossovsky
0 (0%)
Konev
0 (0%)
Vasilevsky
0 (0%)
Timoshenko
0 (0%)
Chiang Kai-Chek
0 (0%)
Mao
2 (3.8%)
Tito
0 (0%)
Yamashita
0 (0%)
Yamamoto
0 (0%)
Nagumo
0 (0%)
Mannerheim
0 (0%)
Jaron/other
2 (3.8%)

Total Members Voted: 51

The Brain

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Grey Fox

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Ideologue

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 29, 2011, 06:29:46 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 29, 2011, 02:45:00 AM
lol Canadians

Next time we'll stay on the side line. I hope you enjoy speaking Chino-Russian.

What do you mean next time?  The last time Canada had the chance to face fascism in open combat, it refused.
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Ed Anger

lol, Canadians think they are important.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Ideologue on July 29, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 29, 2011, 06:29:46 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 29, 2011, 02:45:00 AM
lol Canadians

Next time we'll stay on the side line. I hope you enjoy speaking Chino-Russian.

What do you mean next time?  The last time Canada had the chance to face fascism in open combat, it refused.

Iraq wasn't fascist.

& I mean, without us, as I mentioned before, you would still be trying to take St-Mere-Eglise.

@Ed Canadians? I seem to be the only one beating that drum. Damn it, Anglos! Have a little pride.
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Threviel

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 29, 2011, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 29, 2011, 07:11:00 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 29, 2011, 06:29:46 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 29, 2011, 02:45:00 AM
lol Canadians

Next time we'll stay on the side line. I hope you enjoy speaking Chino-Russian.

What do you mean next time?  The last time Canada had the chance to face fascism in open combat, it refused.

Iraq wasn't fascist.

& I mean, without us, as I mentioned before, you would still be trying to take St-Mere-Eglise.

@Ed Canadians? I seem to be the only one beating that drum. Damn it, Anglos! Have a little pride.

Nah, someone else would have taken it, perhaps the brazilians or something. Or another american army. Or the soviets.

Ed Anger

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 29, 2011, 07:36:25 AM


@Ed Canadians? I seem to be the only one beating that drum. Damn it, Anglos! Have a little pride.

I'm not seeing much difference. Froggy quackers or Anglo flannel wearers. All the same.
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derspiess

So let me get this straight-- Canuckleheads here are complaining that we're neglecting Canada's role in WWII by not listing one of their generals as a choice for "most overrated"?  :lol:
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Warspite

Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
Hey - you don't have to list generals from every combatant.

But if you're going to list fucking yugoslavs, and you claim to list combatants from each major power, you should list a Canadian.  And Gen. Crerar was the most senior Canadian commander during WWII.  And his Canadian 1st Army did liberate Holland.

More people know who Tito was than would know any Canadian general, ever.
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derspiess

Quote from: Zoupa on July 28, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
I don't get the Monty hate. Dude was the only one following a reasonable plan to get to Berlin and saving northern Europe from the Russkies, instead of retarded yankee ideas about a southern redoubt  :wacko:

He wasn't exactly crap.  He was a first-class administrator & trainer.  But he was far too unimaginative and risk-averse (outside of his Market Garden failure).  In many respects he's comparable to McClellan, except that he did win some decisive battles.

During and shortly after WWII, I would put him up there with the most overrated.  Nowadays his reputation seems to have adjusted to a more or less accurate level, though.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2011, 09:39:46 AM
So let me get this straight-- Canuckleheads here are complaining that we're neglecting Canada's role in WWII by not listing one of their generals as a choice for "most overrated"?  :lol:

We are. It's crazy, I know.  :Embarrass: :lol:
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Razgovory

Quote from: Warspite on July 29, 2011, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 29, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
Hey - you don't have to list generals from every combatant.

But if you're going to list fucking yugoslavs, and you claim to list combatants from each major power, you should list a Canadian.  And Gen. Crerar was the most senior Canadian commander during WWII.  And his Canadian 1st Army did liberate Holland.

More people know who Tito was than would know any Canadian general, ever.

There were more people in Yugoslavia then there were in Canada as well.
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Malthus

Quote from: derspiess on July 29, 2011, 09:39:46 AM
So let me get this straight-- Canuckleheads here are complaining that we're neglecting Canada's role in WWII by not listing one of their generals as a choice for "most overrated"?  :lol:

It's an insult to our mediocrity.  :mad:
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Quote from: Zanza on July 29, 2011, 01:36:08 AM
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