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Started by jimmy olsen, July 21, 2011, 06:25:46 PM

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jimmy olsen

Isn't harassment already against the law? Is there really a need for a specific law on cyclists?

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bicycle-law-20110721,0,3219222.story
QuoteBicyclist harassment outlawed by Los Angeles City Council

New law makes it a crime for drivers to threaten cyclists verbally or physically.

By Kate Linthicum, Los Angeles Times

July 21, 2011
The Los Angeles City Council on Wednesday passed a pioneering new law intended to protect bicyclists from harassment by motorists.

The ordinance, which backers described as the toughest of its kind in the nation, makes it a crime for drivers to threaten cyclists verbally or physically, and allows victims of harassment to sue in civil court without waiting for the city to press criminal charges.

Its passage comes one day after a 63-year-old bicyclist was struck and killed by a car on a downtown street — an incident that bicycle advocates say underscores the dangers cyclists face.

The new law is the latest bicycle-friendly measure to hit L.A., where an increasingly vocal community of activists has been calling for more protections.

Several of them showed up at City Hall on Wednesday to share stories of harassment; they described motorists who threw objects, shouted insults and tried to run them off the road.

As the number of cyclists on L.A. streets has swelled — local census data from 2008 show that about 13,000 commute to work on bikes, a 48% increase over the last eight years — so too have conflicts between motorists and bicyclists. Some motorists have accused cyclists of flouting traffic laws, while cyclists have complained that they are treated like second-class citizens.

The new law allows cyclists to sue in civil court and collect up to three times their damages, plus attorney's fees. Ross Hirsch, a lawyer who helped craft the law, said the potential for high compensation will make attorneys more likely to take on cyclists as clients.

Andy Clarke, president of the League of American Bicyclists, said no other city offers bicyclists an equivalent civil recourse. "It's a groundbreaking move," he said.

L.A. lawmakers have garnered national attention with several bike-friendly measures in the last two years.

In 2011, the Los Angeles Police Department convened a bicycle task force and launched new training that acquaints officers with laws that protect cyclists, including traffic codes that relate to bicycle lanes and rights of way. And earlier this year, the city passed an ambitious new bicycle master plan that calls for the paving of more than 200 miles of new bicycle routes every five years.

City Councilman Bill Rosendahl, who championed that plan and wrote the new anti-harassment law, said, "It's about time cyclists have rights."

He became an advocate for the community in 2008 after two cyclists pedaling on a curvy road in his Brentwood district were seriously injured when a driver slammed on his brakes in front of them. The motorist, physician Christopher Thompson, was convicted of numerous charges, including assault with a deadly weapon.

At the state level, legislators are considering a law that would require drivers to give cyclists at least 3 feet of space while passing. Senate Bill 910 is cosponsored by the city of Los Angeles, and it has won the support of local politicians, including Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who recently launched a "Give Me Three!" safety campaign.

Villaraigosa knows how dangerous riding a bicycle can be. Last summer, he bruised his head and shattered his elbow when he was jolted off his bike by a turning taxicab.

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Razgovory

I didn't know that garbon was a big bike guy.
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jimmy olsen

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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
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Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Razgovory

I really wasn't paying attention.  Still, I never thought garbon as person to threaten people.  Insult them and laugh at them, yes.  Threaten, no.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
I really wasn't paying attention.  Still, I never thought garbon as person to threaten people.  Insult them and laugh at them, yes.  Threaten, no.
Look I just title, and Garbon's anti-cyclist views came to mind.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on July 21, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
I really wasn't paying attention.  Still, I never thought garbon as person to threaten people.  Insult them and laugh at them, yes.  Threaten, no.

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It's no coincidence that the most bike-friendly cities tend to be the crappiest and most disorganized.
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garbon

Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
It's no coincidence that the most bike-friendly cities tend to be the crappiest and most disorganized.

I don't know. I'm still not sure LA is the most bike friendly, even with this move.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Admiral Yi

Why is it worse when a driver yells at a bicyclist than when a bicyclist yells at a driver?

Neil

Quote from: garbon on July 21, 2011, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
It's no coincidence that the most bike-friendly cities tend to be the crappiest and most disorganized.

I don't know. I'm still not sure LA is the most bike friendly, even with this move.
I'm sure they're trying to be.  Edmonton is worse than LA when it comes to absolutely requiring a car for a meaningful life, and civic administration here is an absolute catastrophe.  The only thing they can manage to do is to add some bike lanes that are only usable a few months out of the year.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 21, 2011, 09:52:15 PM
Why is it worse when a driver yells at a bicyclist than when a bicyclist yells at a driver?

Cause the biker can get the motorists license plate and report it to the police.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017