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Started by jimmy olsen, July 09, 2011, 06:44:51 AM

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Razgovory

#15
July 09, 2011, 01:45:40 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 09, 2011, 01:19:37 PM
Well, gun nuts seem to be entrenched in their opinion that Obama will take away their guns, and nothing will change their mind.  Therefore, I see a limited downside to this move.

I can see little upside in it either.  It would accomplish little more then wasting time.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Josquius

#16
July 09, 2011, 02:22:25 PM
I doubt he'll be able to outright fix the US' laws. He didn't totally suceed on health care afterall.
But can he make some improvements? Sure, I think he might well be able to.
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MadImmortalMan

#17
July 09, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Gun manufacturers had a huge boom before Obama took office. This might make another one. Maybe not though. No way anything will be passed in the current environment. These things aren't holding up well in the courts anyway.
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Berkut

#18
July 09, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do".  I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)

Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".
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grumbler

#19
July 10, 2011, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 09, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".
I agree, in the sense that he thought that the "right thing to do" always happened to be the thing he wanted to do.

I have never seen any evidence that Bush believed in morals other than the conventional ones he was told to believe in.
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Razgovory

#20
July 10, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
I don't understand your last sentence Grumbler.  Please elaborate.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#21
July 10, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
I don't understand your last sentence Grumbler.  Please elaborate.
I am nt sure where I am losing you.  Are you familiar with the concept of "conventional morality?"  It is essentially the moral reasoning that says that morality is following the law.  If the law doesn't apply (say, you are convinced that the Constitution doesn't apply outside the US) then you can do what you want; kidnap people, torture people, lie about what you are doing. 
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Razgovory

#22
July 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#23
July 11, 2011, 07:56:59 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
I am not sure what that is. Care to explain?
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Bluebook

#24
July 11, 2011, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 09, 2011, 08:45:11 AM
I don't believe Obama does anything because "he thinks it's the right thing to do".  I assume he is in fact utterly amoral, like all modern political figures on both sides of the aisle. :)

They say every nation gets the politicians they deserve.

Razgovory

#25
July 11, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 11, 2011, 07:56:59 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
So a "non-conventional" morality is better?
I am not sure what that is. Care to explain?

Morality that isn't conventional, I suppose.  If we have conventional morality presumably we would have non-conventional morality as well.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

#26
July 11, 2011, 09:51:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 09, 2011, 03:22:30 PM
Actually, I think part of teh Shrubberies problem was that he was not suitably amoral. He did in fact try to do "the right thing".

The only good thing about that is that we have fresh examples of why "Compassionate Conservatism" and neoconservatism are expensive & counterproductive.
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Ed Anger

#27
July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.
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Tonitrus

#28
July 13, 2011, 01:30:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 11, 2011, 09:58:08 AM
Speaking of guns, I'm thinking of getting one of those SAIGA shotguns.

If you don't pump it, it's not a shotgun.  :mad:

CountDeMoney

#29
July 13, 2011, 05:11:51 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on July 13, 2011, 01:30:16 AM
If you don't pump it, it's not a shotgun.  :mad:

Exactly.  Get yourself a nice Mossberg or an 870 with a pistol grip and folding stock.
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