Weather WTF

[Duque de Bragança]

Ok.

It is purely an emotional stance. Logic and reason play no role.

For the likes of Mélenchon or Greens who want no A/C at all, and Marine who wants A/C all the way, even where there are better or complementary solutions?
Quite possibly.
A/C is no panacea, it is part of possible solutions but its pros and cons are to be weighted because it has negative externalities.

For some reason, the A/C implementation here generally not great at all, and that's excluding the higher energy use and higher temperatures caused by a potential mass use.

This seems like quite the mélange.

Maybe we can just focus on one aspect which is no one called a/c a 'panacea'. What it was called was a way to keep people less miserable and prevent people from dying. Both of those seem desirable especially when in a political climate where there is little resolve to do anything coordinated to fix the climate.

Not a Viennese mélange that's for sure. And yes, someone called it panacea in all but name. Not you though, obviously.

So fixing up the climate is over?
At least over here, nuclear power is back as in new projects, so that should limit the climate damage. Granted, with all those new coal power plants still opening in the rest of the (third?) world, it won't be enough. Not to mention Mélenchon and the Greens are against it.

Besides, A/C won't be enough on its own to make big cities à la Paris still livable in the long term. Architecture and city planning will have to change, as well.

[garbon]

So fixing up the climate is over?

It seems like a poor reason to leave people dead from heat.

Besides, A/C won't be enough on its own to make big cities à la Paris still livable in the long term. Architecture and city planning will have to change, as well.

Sure but again this isn't attempting to be a cureall. I don't even think a/c would be rapidly adopted by Europeans given their reluctance and scaremongering to date.

Architecture is a great plan, but now we are talking in terms of decades.

[Duque de Bragança]

So fixing up the climate is over?

It seems like a poor reason to leave people dead from heat.

So people will be left to die from the heat, due to the climate change.

17:43
Sans le changement climatique, les températures auraient été 2 à 4ºC plus fraîches

La vague de chaleur caniculaire qui frappe la France et une partie de l'Europe depuis plusieurs jours est «fortement aggravée par le changement climatique d'origine humaine», sans lequel les températures subies actuellement auraient été 2 à 4ºC plus fraîches, indique lundi une étude scientifique.

«Le schéma météorologique à l'origine de cette canicule n'a rien d'extraordinaire. Ce qui est extraordinaire, c'est que le changement climatique a ajouté jusqu'à 4°C aux températures dans certaines régions d'Europe occidentale», estime Davide Faranda, directeur de recherche CNRS en sciences du climat, à l'origine de la création de Climameter, outil de mesure de l'impact du réchauffement climatique. À Paris par exemple, sans réchauffement climatique, «cette canicule aurait été plus fraîche de 2,4°C».

https://www.lefigaro.fr/meteo/en-direct-canicule-les-chaleurs-s-intensifient-encore-jusqu-a-440c-attendus-ce-lundi-dans-l-ouest-et-le-centre-20260622
2 to 4 °C more due to climate change, for this current heat wave. Mass A/C will add 2°C.

Besides, A/C won't be enough on its own to make big cities à la Paris still livable in the long term. Architecture and city planning will have to change, as well.

Sure but again this isn't attempting to be a cureall. I don't even think a/c would be rapidly adopted by Europeans given their reluctance and scaremongering to date.

We'll have to disagree on that one, not just on the scaremongering, but on the adoption as well.
In Southern Europe, it's more and more common and better managed than in temperate Europe.
Yet, the pro-A/C don't recognise it and claim mortality is higher in Southern Europe and that A/C would prevent it.

Quickly adopted in Northern Europe (for what?) or even the British Isles does not seem likely, though.
Maybe in places such as in France which did not see themselves as Southern Europe until recently.

Architecture is a great plan, but now we are talking in terms of decades.

That's why I mentioned the long term, for architecture and urban planning. The latter can be done quicker.
Of course, with gentrification already in force, Green mayors won't be too keen on A/C anyways.

[crazy canuck]

AC is used in North America, South America, Africa, Asia, and Australia without massive outbreaks of AC related illnesses. Either Europeans have an unusually weak constitution or its a old wives tale that won't die... well until the heat kills off all the old wives

 

Not the same climate in those places compared to the British Isles.
Plus, there is A/C in Southern Europe but not mismanaged as in mesothermal Europe.
Thermal shocks NA-style from 15 inside to 35-40 C outside, no thanks.

I had a flashback to our trip to Rome, the number of years ago.  The apartment we were renting had air-conditioning that was set to 30° C.

That was blessedly cool after walking around in the 38 to 40° heat outside.

[crazy canuck]

Also, if you spend any time in North America, you quickly notice how over the top a lot of people are in keeping their living areas colder than they would be at times of the year when they're not using the AC.  It's actually pretty ridiculous.

[Valmy]

Denying facts such as A/C making people sick is ridículous.
Plus, massive use of A/C will trigger higher temperatures by 2 degrees on average, in big cities, the ones not designed with summer heat in mind.
It's not as of the Hiberno-British of archipelago needs it anyways, unlike insulation or proper plumbing, but I digress.

 

[HVC]

Also, if you spend any time in North America, you quickly notice how over the top a lot of people are in keeping their living areas colder than they would be at times of the year when they're not using the AC.  It's actually pretty ridiculous.

Malls are set stupidly cold. I guess to offset the loss through open doors?

[Valmy]

Also, if you spend any time in North America, you quickly notice how over the top a lot of people are in keeping their living areas colder than they would be at times of the year when they're not using the AC.  It's actually pretty ridiculous.

Depends on the family. My family always kept the house around 26 degrees for the most part during the summer. That was fine with me.

But man so much of the country just loves it to be fucking 20 all the damn time, especially offices. My wife is like this so I am often freezing in the middle of summer. And why so many women have sweaters to wear in offices even when it is boiling hot outside. It is kind of weird.

But I would gladly take that than live in Texas in the pre-AC days. In those times people just lived on their front porches in the summer because it was too hot to go inside and it is humid as fuck here so it doesn't cool off at night much.

[Duque de Bragança]

Denying facts such as A/C making people sick is ridículous.
Plus, massive use of A/C will trigger higher temperatures by 2 degrees on average, in big cities, the ones not designed with summer heat in mind.
It's not as of the Hiberno-British of archipelago needs it anyways, unlike insulation or proper plumbing, but I digress.

 

Such as the NA mall-style AC, under 20 sometimes over here (a classic in cinemas), that the A/C fanbois (think of Marine and her cronies ) are trying to import over here, instead of using it as in Southern Europe.
I fail to see the surprise.

I was happy to rewatch Casablanca the other day under a finely tuned temperature for once, in a renovated arthouse in the Latin Quarter.

[Duque de Bragança]

Also, if you spend any time in North America, you quickly notice how over the top a lot of people are in keeping their living areas colder than they would be at times of the year when they're not using the AC.  It's actually pretty ridiculous.

Depends on the family. My family always kept the house around 26 degrees for the most part during the summer. That was fine with me.

But man so much of the country just loves it to be fucking 20 all the damn time, especially offices. My wife is like this so I am often freezing in the middle of summer. And why so many women have sweaters to wear in offices even when it is boiling hot outside. It is kind of weird.

But I would gladly take that than live in Texas in the pre-AC days. In those times people just lived on their front porches in the summer because it was too hot to go inside and it is humid as fuck here so it doesn't cool off at night much.

There was an article in the Portuguese press about it, where the columnist claimed, with some exaggeration for comical purposes (Houston's North Pole...), A/C was set to 15 °C, hence the need to wear a sweater or pullover at all times.

https://www.jn.pt/desporto/artigo/o-polo-norte-de-houston/18096834

[Syt]

I know, forecast accuracy and all that, but this is still depressing to look at.

[Syt]

Vorarlberg yesterday, 1000m above sea level.

[Grey Fox]

That's a crazy amount of weather stability.

Totally alien to me.

[crazy canuck]

A heat dome does that

[Sheilbh]

Also totally slept through this But huge thunderstorm over London last night - which is weird because it's at the start of heatwave which continued to build today and I always associate storms with breaking the heat.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2026/jun/23/dramatic-lightning-illuminates-london-skies-during-heatwave-thunderstorm-video