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Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy

Started by Martinus, July 01, 2011, 02:13:22 AM

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Berkut

Martys outrage would me more impressive if he had the balls to express it back when the case first broke.

I mean, seeing as he is so certain now that it was obviously a terrible case all along.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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Slargos

Not to be terribly contrarian, but hasn't Marty been following this line the whole time?

Sure, he hasn't been as vocal about it, but then, a week ago it would've been as popular as my hatred of the lesser races.  :hmm:

grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on July 03, 2011, 10:08:40 PM
Martys outrage would me more impressive if he had the balls to express it back when the case first broke.

I mean, seeing as he is so certain now that it was obviously a terrible case all along.
As he noted, it has nothing to do with the case.  He thinks the America has a "retarded system of 'justice,'" not that this was a terrible case on its own.  His outrage cannot be impressive at all, therefor; its just his usual hysterics, but with a different target.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43812462/ns/slate_com/
QuoteBy William Saletan
Slate.com Slate.com
updated 7/19/2011 5:03:46 PM ET 2011-07-19T21:03:46

The parade of women accusing Dominique Strauss-Kahn of sexual brutality has just taken another twist. A very bizarre twist.

It started in 2007 with allegations by Tristane Banon, a French journalist, that Strauss-Kahn had grappled "violently" with her and tried to undo her jeans and bra during a private interview. A year later, Piroska Nagy, a former economist at the International Monetary Fund, told IMF investigators that Strauss-Kahn had pressured her into a sexual relationship when she worked for him. The investigators confirmed the relationship but said there was "no evidence" that Strauss-Kahn had "threatened [her] in any way to induce her to engage in the affair." Other women accused him of making crude passes, and in May, he was indicted for allegedly assaulting a maid at a New York hotel. That case has crumbled because the accuser, according to prosecutors, lied to them about a previous rape. But the bruises in her vagina and the semen on her shirt, which reportedly matches Strauss-Kahn's DNA, leave him with a lot to explain.
Story: Strauss-Kahn faces new sexual assault claim

Two weeks ago, Banon, Strauss-Kahn's initial accuser, filed a complaint accusing him of attempted rape. And another woman is now claiming to have endured sexual aggression at his hands: Banon's mother, Anne Mansouret.

Until now, Mansouret was thought to be a mere witness to the 2003 Banon incident. According to a report published last night in L'Express, Mansouret has told investigators that Banon phoned her in shock and that she (Mansouret) went to meet Banon outside the apartment where Banon claims to have been assaulted. L'Express specifies the apartment's address: 13 rue Mayet. This account backs up Banon on two elements of her story.

That was expected. This was not: According to L'Express, Mansouret told investigators that she, too, had sex with Strauss-Kahn. The encounter allegedly happened in a Paris office of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development while Strauss-Kahn was a special adviser to the OECD secretary general. If true, this means Strauss-Kahn had sex with Mansouret in 2000 and then, three years later, went after her daughter.

It also means that when Mansouret initially advised Banon not to file a complaint against Strauss-Kahn, she wasn't just a mother counseling a daughter. She was—without her daughter's knowledge, according to L'Express—a former sex partner of the alleged assailant.

But that's history now, because Mansouret isn't just supporting Banon's account of the 2003 incident. She's also reporting that her own encounter with Strauss-Kahn in 2000 included, in the words of L'Express, "consensual but clearly brutal sex." (That's a translation courtesy of our sister publication, Slate.fr.) L'Express reports that Mansouret "describes DSK as a predator who isn't looking to please but to take, and behaves like an obscene boor. Sexual lust makes him want to dominate."

In fact, Mansouret reportedly claims that Strauss-Kahn, through his second wife, Brigitte Guillemette, confirmed both incidents. According to L'Express, Mansouret said she phoned Guillemette soon after the Banon incident, and Guillemette "allegedly told her she knew he had already had inappropriate behavior with students." Mansouret asserts, on this account, that Guillemette asked Strauss-Kahn about the Banon episode and that he told her, essentially, "I don't know what happened to me. I slept with the mother, I lost it when I saw the daughter."
Story: Reports: Strauss-Kahn sex case heads to dismissal

So here's where we stand. Two women have accused Strauss-Kahn of sexual assault. Three (including those two) have accused him of sexual brutality. A fourth has accused him of sexually pressuring her when she worked for him. Others have accused him of crude advances. In the IMF case, he has admitted to a sexual relationship. In the New York case, the evidence reportedly shows semen and bruising in a first-time encounter with a maid that took less than 20 minutes.

But there's a big problem with Mansouret's story: Guillemette denies it. L'Express says that when investigators asked Guillemette about Mansouret's version of events, she told them, "All this is false." And if Guillemette rejects Mansouret's account of their conversations, that could undercut Mansouret's credibility about her own incident as well as Banon's.

Mansouret's sordid tale, as reported by L'Express, deepens the portrait of Strauss-Kahn as a sexual aggressor with a pattern of pressure and violence, including the sequential pursuit of a woman and her daughter. But precisely because this portrait is so grotesque and so reliant on a mother and daughter whose stories are now sexually intertwined — and now challenged by another woman — Mansouret's allegations could make Banon's story harder to believe. That doesn't mean Strauss-Kahn will walk away a free man. It just means that some other woman will have to come forward. And if the portrait of him is accurate, that woman almost certainly exists.

(Thanks to Gregoire Fleurot of Slate.Fr for providing translation.)

This article, DSK's MILF?, first appeared in Slate.com.
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Kleves

QuoteMansouret describes DSK as a predator who isn't looking to please but to take, and behaves like an obscene boor. Sexual lust makes him want to dominate
Dude, that's rape in Sweden.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Kleves on July 20, 2011, 12:26:34 AM
QuoteMansouret describes DSK as a predator who isn't looking to please but to take, and behaves like an obscene boor. Sexual lust makes him want to dominate
Dude, that's rape in Sweden.
Good for him Norway is right next door.
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Martinus

The horrors of globalisation - bringing American puritanism to France.

Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on July 20, 2011, 01:15:27 AM
The horrors of globalisation - bringing American puritanism to France.

Perhaps they can import Russian views on homosexuality as well.
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Martinus

Quote from: Razgovory on July 20, 2011, 01:36:00 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 20, 2011, 01:15:27 AM
The horrors of globalisation - bringing American puritanism to France.

Perhaps they can import Russian views on homosexuality as well.

Only if they also import Russian views on the mentally ill.

If Russians got to rule, you would have it worse than I.

Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on July 20, 2011, 01:37:46 AM


Only if they also import Russian views on the mentally ill.

If Russians got to rule, you would have it worse than I.

Russians put their mentally ill in positions of power.  It's the sane ones that go to the hospitals.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on July 20, 2011, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 20, 2011, 01:37:46 AM


Only if they also import Russian views on the mentally ill.

If Russians got to rule, you would have it worse than I.

Russians put their mentally ill in positions of power.  It's the sane ones that go to the hospitals.
:lol:

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Razgovory on July 20, 2011, 01:44:10 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 20, 2011, 01:37:46 AM


Only if they also import Russian views on the mentally ill.

If Russians got to rule, you would have it worse than I.

Russians put their mentally ill in positions of power.  It's the sane ones that go to the hospitals.
Smooth :lol:
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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CountDeMoney

Quotethe portrait of Strauss-Kahn as a sexual aggressor with a pattern of pressure and violence, including the sequential pursuit of a woman and her daughter.

This guy just gets cooler each day.

HVC

So case dropped. Can he sue for monetary damages? Guy lost his job and future earnings and what not
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

MadImmortalMan

Now he gets to fight off the next round of allegations from the next girl. Nothing to see here.
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