What if Jews had followed the 'Palestinian Path'? NYT op-ed

[Warspite]

Hmm. So what the author is saying is that the Palestinians should return to their homeland too?

[Razgovory]

Septimania?  That's way less than a third, dude.

I was thinking of drawing the line as about as far as they got.  Tours.

[Iormlund]

Southern Spain sounds good. There's a historical argument to be made, several centuries old. Sounds good to me. 

We already sold most of that to the Brits, though.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Southern Spain sounds good. There's a historical argument to be made, several centuries old. Sounds good to me. 

We already sold most of that to the Brits, though.

Oh come on, Gibraltar is not that big :p

[Duque de Bragança]

Obviously not what he meant, but if one isn't familiar with the historical context, you could imagine that he's suggesting that the Palestinians leave the Middle East and carve out a nation for themselves in Euorpe.

Southern Spain sounds good. There's a historical argument to be made, several centuries old. Sounds good to me. 

Or the Southwestern third of France.

Nice try. 

Actually, Southeastern of France for Marseille. I don't want them messing with Bordeaux. I just don't care about pastis

[Josquius]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society. Australia, Canada, the US, etc... would have heavily advertised for mayn of them to move there.

[Razgovory]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society. Australia, Canada, the US, etc... would have heavily advertised for mayn of them to move there.

Like the Roma?

[Ideologue]

So what's the author's point? Palestinians as a people are dumber than Jews?

I read it more like "Jews are a united people, while Muslims are a fractured people, and that is a big reason why the Jews have succeeded and the Palestinians have not."

I wonder if the situation might have resolved itself by now if the PLO had won in Jordan in 1970.

[Razgovory]

Probably not.  Israel would simply border Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

[Josquius]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society. Australia, Canada, the US, etc... would have heavily advertised for mayn of them to move there.

Like the Roma?

Gypsies are voluntary outsiders. They have a reputation historically for crime and all sorts of foul play which can't be so easily brushed aside as stupid superstition as with much of the bad stuff about the Jews.
Jews are wannabe insiders who for religious reasons have been excluded historically. They have a reputation for being good businessmen. In the less crazy parts of the continent they are usually pretty well regarded.
Big difference.

Also of course- governments have tried to integrate the Roma into society. Ranging from Romania's over the top attempts to make them settle and become normal members of society to standard western europe extension of various rights to them and allowing them to get normal jobs if they want.

[Neil]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society. Australia, Canada, the US, etc... would have heavily advertised for mayn of them to move there.

Real history fail.  Eastern Europe wasn't really interested in getting those Jews back, and the civilized world wasn't interested in adopting all those Eastern barbarians.  Learn your Israeli history.

[Admiral Yi]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society.

On what do you base this statement?

[JonasSalk]

There is absolutely no anti-Semitism in Poland, Russia, and Ukraine today. Tyr is right.

[Razgovory]

err no. Alternate history fail.
These Jews would have been citizens of European countries. The governments would have helped them get back into society. Australia, Canada, the US, etc... would have heavily advertised for mayn of them to move there.

Like the Roma?

Gypsies are voluntary outsiders. They have a reputation historically for crime and all sorts of foul play which can't be so easily brushed aside as stupid superstition as with much of the bad stuff about the Jews.

These were common accusations directed at Jews in the 19th and early 20th century.

[Razgovory]

If the Jews had lost the '48 war I imagine they would have migrated to the new world.  The US if possible, but many would have had to settle for South America.  Those that survived of course.  I suspect that the Arabs would have killed a large number of them if they could.  It would have been difficult to go back to Europe and many never had even lived in Europe.