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Started by viper37, June 16, 2011, 03:12:45 PM

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Martinus

#15
June 16, 2011, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 03:22:15 PM
Banning the production AND import of halal meat [and actually following through with reprizals], in conjunction with the banning of circumsicion is a good first "soft" step to get rid of the undesireables.  :hmm:

Agreed.

The Minsky Moment

#16
June 16, 2011, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:20:32 PM
Good. If you want to practice your barbaric, bronze age customs, fuck off to the Middle East.

Freedom of religion should mean a freedom to freely profess the belief in whatever deity you choose. It should NEVER mean benefiting from exceptions when it comes to "mundane" laws.

If you can't live your goddamn life without wearing a retarded rag on/over your head, mutilating babies or torturing animals, then get the fuck out of Europe or go to prison.

Well reasoned.  Way to show those religious zealots the error of their prejudices.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Razgovory

#17
June 16, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
So is medical testing on animals next?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

#18
June 16, 2011, 04:27:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 16, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
So is medical testing on animals next?

Only for researching cures for Tay Sachs.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Viking

#19
June 16, 2011, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 16, 2011, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 16, 2011, 03:49:22 PM
o. Halal/Kosher slaughter wasn't even the most human method of doing it in the bronze age. The animal is alive while it bleeds to death.

Stunned animals are also alive as they get carved up.   :contract:

Difference is that at least with kosher/hallal slaughter there has to be someone with proper training and experience and thus the risk of unecessary pain and suffering is limited.  Whereas any unskilled doofus can get a job as a stunner in a slaughterhouse.

good point, let me rephrase

"The animal is awake while it bleeds to death."

The unskilled doofus still is much more humane than the highly trained knifeman that lets the animal exsanguinate until the heart tries to pump air.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Jacob

#20
June 16, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:21:59 PMAgreed.

You and Slargos do have a lot in common.

Slargos

#21
June 16, 2011, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:21:59 PMAgreed.

You and Slargos do have a lot in common.

Why do you always have to be so mean? Every time we reach some sort of cordial unspoken agreement of non-aggression you have to resort to your dick-punching ways.  :(

Martinus

#22
June 16, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:21:59 PMAgreed.

You and Slargos do have a lot in common.

We don't like retards who follow bronze age customs in the 21st century. Yes.

Viking

#23
June 16, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 16, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
Humane slaughter = contradiction in terms. 

If the fake Krauts really gave a crap about animals they would become vegetarians and ban meat sales.  But that would piss off the majority.  Scapegoating the minority, though  . . .

so, you are trying to argue that being tortured to death is equivalent to a (near) painless death? Can you name that logical fallacy? Is it "The Red Herring"? Tell me, your usually good at identifying them.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Martinus

#24
June 16, 2011, 04:32:13 PM
Besides, Europeans did not go to all that trouble to discover a distant (and relatively sparsely populated) land, cause all religious crazies to go there, transport a lot of blacks there, and scare enough Jews to move there, now to have all these people crawl back.  :ph34r:

Slargos

#25
June 16, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:32:13 PM
Besides, Europeans did not go to all that trouble to discover a distant (and relatively sparsely populated) land, cause all religious crazies to go there, transport a lot of blacks there, and scare enough Jews to move there, now to have all these people crawl back.  :ph34r:

Fo dam sho yo

Viking

#26
June 16, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2011, 04:21:59 PMAgreed.

You and Slargos do have a lot in common.

We don't like retards who follow bronze age customs in the 21st century. Yes.

3rd Century BC greece was bronze age :contract:
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Jacob

#27
June 16, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 16, 2011, 04:30:37 PMWhy do you always have to be so mean? Every time we reach some sort of cordial unspoken agreement of non-aggression you have to resort to your dick-punching ways.  :(

I apologize. In this case you were collateral damage :(

Martinus

#28
June 16, 2011, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 16, 2011, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 16, 2011, 04:15:39 PM
Humane slaughter = contradiction in terms. 

If the fake Krauts really gave a crap about animals they would become vegetarians and ban meat sales.  But that would piss off the majority.  Scapegoating the minority, though  . . .

so, you are trying to argue that being tortured to death is equivalent to a (near) painless death? Can you name that logical fallacy? Is it "The Red Herring"? Tell me, your usually good at identifying them.

It's called "being Jewish". Malthus has it too. It shuts off the rational part of the brain when it comes to anything remotely related to Israel or Judaism (I admittedly have it when it comes to gaydom).
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