Are there situations when tortures are justifiable?

[Zoupa]

I'd like to add that the persons responsible for changing Mickey D's BBQ sauce should have their toes broken.

They changed it?  No more mcnuggets for me 

[Ed Anger]

I'd like to add that the persons responsible for changing Mickey D's BBQ sauce should have their toes broken.

They changed it?  No more mcnuggets for me 

It seems so.

I don't know what I'm going to nibble on while the kids are in the Playland of doom. FRUIT? Please.

[Ed Anger]

I also have the feeling that by the time the month is out, my torture list will be two pages long.

[Viking]

I think there are situations where tortures are justifiable.

1 - Ticking bomb situation, where torture can be used to save lives, e.g. the location of a bomb or an attack.
2 - On people who deem torture to be an acceptable activity in cases excepting the above. 

[Slargos]

I think there are situations where tortures are justifiable.

1 - Ticking bomb situation, where torture can be used to save lives, e.g. the location of a bomb or an attack.
2 - On people who deem torture to be an acceptable activity in cases excepting the above.

So I guess you fall under #2 then. 

[C.C.R.]

Torture sometimes may be necessary and the only realistic option, but it is never justifiable.

Disagree.  It is difficult to justify, but not impossible.  I don't think that it should ever be legal; I think that anyone who decides that the situation justifies torture should do so with the understanding that they will suffer the full legal penalties for torturing; if that tradeoff isn't worth it to them, then the torture wasn't justified anyway.

You just saved me a shitload of typing.  I could totally see how my sentencing at The Hague would go down:

"For the crime of shooting the victim in the knee cap with a roofing nail gun and then telling him that 'his [genitalia] is next' we hereby sentence C.C.R. to three months in prison plus time served.

"For the crime of calling us all a bunch of 'squeamish, snail eating, mayonnaise chugging, pillow biting pussies' and then proceeding to stand on the courtroom defense table and (poorly) sing 'The Star Spangled Banner' we hereby sentence C.C.R. to serve twenty years in a maximum security penitentiary with no possibility of parole."

[grumbler]

I think there are situations where tortures are justifiable.

1 - Ticking bomb situation, where torture can be used to save lives, e.g. the location of a bomb or an attack.
2 - On people who deem torture to be an acceptable activity in cases excepting the above.

So I guess you fall under #2 then. 

[Zeus]

Yes. It was good enough for Braveheart, it's good enough for me.

[garbon]

Although, I guess, you can make an argument that torture should be illegal under all circumstances, since legalizing it is a very dangerous window to open, but if it is necessary, then you'll just ask someone to kamikaze themselves in a legal sense for the common good.  I'm not sure how morally justifiable that position is, and whether it opens a can of worms of its own.

Yeah...

[The Brain]

It's OK if my religion tells me to torture. Then you must get an exemption.

[Berkut]

It's OK if my religion tells me to torture. Then you must get an exemption.

Are we really bringing up the circumcision argument again?

[dps]

It's OK if my religion tells me to torture. Then you must get an exemption.

Are we really bringing up the circumcision argument again?

No, he's bringing this here from the slaugherhouse thread.

[Razgovory]

Although, I guess, you can make an argument that torture should be illegal under all circumstances, since legalizing it is a very dangerous window to open, but if it is necessary, then you'll just ask someone to kamikaze themselves in a legal sense for the common good.  I'm not sure how morally justifiable that position is, and whether it opens a can of worms of its own.

I believe that was McCain's position.