Global War On Drugs 'Has Failed' Say Former Leaders

[Slargos]

If you live under the delusion that Law is mainly for the protection of individual civil liberties, then I suppose I can understand why you'd be frustrated.

[The Brain]

The Law is mainly for protecting the Material Interests.

[DGuller]

Of course you don't.

Here you have two crimes whose adherents claim, with reasonable argument, are victimless.

Barrister, as an agent of Law (regardless of his personal beliefs) considers both from a legal standpoint as crimes. In degree they may differ from murder, rape, genocide or jaywalking, but they're still crimes.

He's being accosted as a "douchebag" for maintaining this position by the very same people who would laugh at one crime and frown at the other.

Now do you see?

The thing is that we're not debating what the law is.  I think all of us know what it is, not just Barrister.  We're debating what the law should be.  In that kind of debate, using existing law as an argument would create quite a vertigo-inducing circularity.

[Berkut]

If you live under the delusion that Law is mainly for the protection of individual civil liberties, then I suppose I can understand why you'd be frustrated.

I don't think that is the only way one would find that ignoring the individual liberties (civil or otherwise) in the pursuit of the majorities demand that people live in the manner they wish to be frustrating.

Law may not be mainly for the protection of liberty, but that doesn't mean it should simply ignore liberty - quite the opposite in fact.

[Zoupa]

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/health/2011/06/02/oppmann.pharmacy.robberies.cnn

Damn. Not super relevant to the ongoing discussion, I know. Now my dream of moving to Miami and being pharmacist to the stars is crippled. 

[Barrister]

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/health/2011/06/02/oppmann.pharmacy.robberies.cnn

Damn. Not super relevant to the ongoing discussion, I know. Now my dream of moving to Miami and being pharmacist to the stars is crippled. 

I saw in on a 3 day police robbery conference, with a half day session on pharmacy robberies.  Apparently one of the few crime categories that is increasing, and increasing dramatically at that.

[The Minsky Moment]

If you live under the delusion that Law is mainly for the protection of individual civil liberties, then I suppose I can understand why you'd be frustrated.

Euros .  . . getting it wrong for over 200 years

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

[jamesww]

....

Euros .  . . getting it wrong for over 200 years

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Man, that's just a stoner's charter.

[Slargos]

If you live under the delusion that Law is mainly for the protection of individual civil liberties, then I suppose I can understand why you'd be frustrated.

Euros .  . . getting it wrong for over 200 years

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Yeah. Right.

And Iraq was fought over WMD.

Your product has no value, shyster.

[The Minsky Moment]

And Iraq was fought over WMD.

Your product has no value, shyster.

Why do you hate freedom so?   

[Slargos]

And Iraq was fought over WMD.

Your product has no value, shyster.

Why do you hate freedom so?   

Freedom is a lovely dream. 

[Neil]

My position on this issue is motivated by malice.

That is all.

[Razgovory]

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/health/2011/06/02/oppmann.pharmacy.robberies.cnn

Damn. Not super relevant to the ongoing discussion, I know. Now my dream of moving to Miami and being pharmacist to the stars is crippled. 

I saw in on a 3 day police robbery conference, with a half day session on pharmacy robberies.  Apparently one of the few crime categories that is increasing, and increasing dramatically at that.

I can believe that.  Even if you aren't a junkie, there's thousands of dollars of merchandise in there that can be easily moved, and unlike a bank they probably don't have guards or vaults.

[Barrister]

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/health/2011/06/02/oppmann.pharmacy.robberies.cnn

Damn. Not super relevant to the ongoing discussion, I know. Now my dream of moving to Miami and being pharmacist to the stars is crippled. 

I saw in on a 3 day police robbery conference, with a half day session on pharmacy robberies.  Apparently one of the few crime categories that is increasing, and increasing dramatically at that.

I can believe that.  Even if you aren't a junkie, there's thousands of dollars of merchandise in there that can be easily moved, and unlike a bank they probably don't have guards or vaults.

Well, according to the police analyst, it was mostly junkies that were doing these, and not more "professional" criminals.

But yes, they made the point that it was combined with the fact that pharmacies, unlike places like banks, do not have the same protections or training on what to do in a robbery, and thus proved to be easier targets.

[Razgovory]

Looked up a story about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/07/us/07pharmacies.html

Interesting.  Sounds like a serious problem.  In Missouri, the big drug is Meth.  They've gone so far as to limit the sale of certain over the counter meds that used as ingredients.  I bought some cold medication last year and had to give them my ID before they let me have it.  I could easily imagine someone trying to steal a bunch of Ephedrine for a Meth Lab.  Bad Shit.