The Obama "To Make Important Middle East Speech" MEGATHREAD

Started by citizen k, May 19, 2011, 10:35:06 PM

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citizen k

May 19, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
Anyone want to talk about Obama "throwing Israel under the bus"?
'67 border, yea or nay?
Syria, still too soft?
Bahrain, just right?


LaCroix

#1
May 19, 2011, 10:41:10 PM
improves relations with some middle eastern countries while hurting relations with a country that cannot afford to cut ties with us? i think that works

edit: didn't watch it, fyi. just going off the op

jimmy olsen

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May 19, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Quote from: citizen k on May 19, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
Anyone want to talk about Obama "throwing Israel under the bus"?
'67 border, yea or nay?
Nay. Not gonna happen. Israel will hold onto Jerusalem or get destroyed. So why poison dialogue with the Israelis by putting it forth?
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Razgovory

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May 19, 2011, 11:04:09 PM
So he's stating what American policy towards Israel in regard to the Palestinian issue has been for decades?  The only people shocked by this are idiots.

Any talk about the Middle East Peace is pointless right now.  The Palestinian government couldn't abide by an agreement even if they wanted to.  Hell, it's not clear who to negotiate with anymore.
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May 19, 2011, 11:13:13 PM Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 11:17:14 PM by HisMajestyBOB
Quote from: Razgovory on May 19, 2011, 11:04:09 PM
So he's stating what American policy towards Israel in regard to the Palestinian issue has been for decades?  The only people shocked by this are idiots.

Any talk about the Middle East Peace is pointless right now.  The Palestinian government couldn't abide by an agreement even if they wanted to.  Hell, it's not clear who to negotiate with anymore.

:yes:
And Bibi doesn't want to negotiate.

EDIT: I really hope this doesn't signal any significant efforts at Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. It'd be a complete waste of time and effort.
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Josephus

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May 20, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Meanwhile the Simon Wiesenthal Center said Obama's plan calls for a return to Israel's "1967 Auschwitz borders."

Way to play the Holocaust card. I don't even know what that means.
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May 20, 2011, 07:55:46 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 20, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Meanwhile the Simon Wiesenthal Center said Obama's plan calls for a return to Israel's "1967 Auschwitz borders."

Way to play the Holocaust card. I don't even know what that means.

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Berkut

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May 20, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 20, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Meanwhile the Simon Wiesenthal Center said Obama's plan calls for a return to Israel's "1967 Auschwitz borders."

Way to play the Holocaust card. I don't even know what that means.

Wow, you know, it isn't hard to play the Holocaust card effectively.

You just have to talk about the unique need for Jewish security or something. Coming right out and dropping "Auschwitz" is really ineffective.
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May 20, 2011, 08:05:50 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 20, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Meanwhile the Simon Wiesenthal Center said Obama's plan calls for a return to Israel's "1967 Auschwitz borders."

Way to play the Holocaust card. I don't even know what that means.

It means the horror of having all the fanatical settlers returning to Tel Aviv would be equivalent to the trauma of Auschwitz.
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May 20, 2011, 08:08:03 AM
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May 20, 2011, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 20, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Wow, you know, it isn't hard to play the Holocaust card effectively.

You just have to talk about the unique need for Jewish security or something. Coming right out and dropping "Auschwitz" is really ineffective.
What it means is that Israel's position both as a religiously-defined nation and as an occupier of non-national territory cannot be rationally defended, so they will do so irrationally.

Didn't know the Wiesenthal Center people read languish, but they have picked up the typical languishite "debate" style almost perfectly.
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May 20, 2011, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Josephus on May 20, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Meanwhile the Simon Wiesenthal Center said Obama's plan calls for a return to Israel's "1967 Auschwitz borders."

Way to play the Holocaust card. I don't even know what that means.
Should be renamed the "1967 You-Killed-Baby-Jesus border" since we're just throughing out random emotionally laden words.
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May 20, 2011, 08:20:11 AM
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Tamas

#13
May 20, 2011, 08:53:45 AM
That said, retreating from anywhere seems like fucked up silly idea from Israel's POV. All their Gaza pullout ever established was giving a playground and missile silo to Hamas, and even if the leaders make peace, the dirt-poor palestinians will look at the territory of Israel as their birthright and only salvation for centuries to come.

Admiral Yi

#14
May 20, 2011, 09:14:52 AM
What the gypsy said.  A serious peace proposal has to include both the return of land captured in 67 and some sort of security guarantees for Israel (plus some sugar daddy paying off the 48ers).
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