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Started by Razgovory, April 27, 2011, 08:20:30 AM

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DontSayBanana

The layers thing isn't exactly a smoking gun.  It looks like it just detected "text" and moved it to another layer- note there's no pattern under the text layer.  OCR fail.
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?

Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead.  :(

Ed Anger

Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?

Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead.  :(

Will the four horsemen do a run in?
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2011, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 27, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Will Bobby the Brain Heenan be the manager?

Will have to be, since Elizabeth is dead.  :(

Will the four horsemen do a run in?

Maybe the Birdman Koko B Ware waving his parrot from the top of the ropes.  Followed by the Ultimate Warrior and his tassel extravaganza.

And just for Slargos, Kampala the Ugandan Giant.

Caliga

I stooped so low as to actually watch Trump's 'speech' about this yesterday.

His campaign is either a publicity stunt to push his reality show, or he's being paid by some other candidate to muckrake so they can avoid the damage from doing it themselves. :wacko:
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Caliga on April 28, 2011, 07:06:15 AM
I stooped so low as to actually watch Trump's 'speech' about this yesterday.

His campaign is either a publicity stunt to push his reality show, or he's being paid by some other candidate to muckrake so they can avoid the damage from doing it themselves. :wacko:

Vince McMahon is behind it all.
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grumbler

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2011, 01:39:55 PM
Why would it have layers like that though?   Just scans that way for some reason?  Fucking with the nutjobs?  While I assume it's just something the program does when it gets scanned in, I would really like for it to be option 2.
It has laers like that because all images converted to .PDF and then back to Illustrator images have layers like that.  It is an artifact of the way the scanned image is converted to Adobe Acrobat documents and converted back.  The layers are garbage.  See the update to the original NRO piece: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding
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KRonn

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 27, 2011, 12:02:47 PM
Now The Donald has switched immediately to talking about gas prices. This guy isn't going to let up until he is forced to drop out of the primary. Obama should have just let him keep talking about the birth certificate.
Yeah, the birther thing was a distraction from the real issues, but now The Donald is free to leave that and move on to other issues. But he was already doing that anyway, so no biggie. I see Trump as even more of a chump, dragging this stuff around when there are real issues. But he got the President to respond.    :huh:

I don't know who looks worse now, Trump for trolling this, or Obama for giving in to the Troll.   :hmm:  The cert of live birth was settled long ago; the more fringie types kept bringing it up.  No wait, Trump looks much worse, still does. That doesn't change.

I wonder if though, if this was gaining so much traction or something maybe? So Obama decided to show the birth certificate, along with the cert of live birth already out there?

merithyn

Well, I can tell you that the former mayor of our fine city was a Birther... and lost the election because of it. There have been Tea Party rallies here where they trumpet that Obama is not an American citizen, is not a Christian as he claims, and is going to be the ruin of our nation. The mayor has been at each of them as a guest speaker.

I'll go with the whole birther thing has been snowballing and Obama finally decided to put the damn thing down.
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Maximus

I read an article, in CSM I think, that speculated that Obama was feeding Trump as a strategic move.

garbon

Granola Liberal "acquaintances" on facebook were crying yesterday about how racist this all is and making a big fuss. Their tears were delicious. ^_^
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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Valmy

Quote from: garbon on April 28, 2011, 09:01:13 AM
Granola Liberal "acquaintances" on facebook were crying yesterday about how racist this all is and making a big fuss. Their tears were delicious. ^_^

Seriously?  The whining and outrage of political types is a constant, boring, and predictable daily happening.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

KRonn


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http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/27/gergen.obama.marginalization/index.html

The marginalization of a president: Will it end with Obama?

Editor's note: David Gergen is a senior political analyst for CNN and has been an adviser to four U.S. presidents. He is a professor of public service and director of the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Mike Zuckerman is a research assistant for Gergen. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard College in 2010.

(CNN) -- Once again, our country seems to be mired in a tired, frustrating conversation about President Obama's citizenship. Seems like we've been down this road before.

This time, the prime (and prime time) culprit is Donald Trump. He has seen his poll numbers rise and played the American public by latching on to the absolutely bogus myth that the 44th president of the United States may not have been born in the USA. And by doing so, he's just the latest in a string of presidential conspiracy theorists.

In fact, ever since then-Sen. Obama burst onto the scene, there have been efforts to delegitimize him in the eyes of the public. We have heard suggestions that he was born everywhere, from here to (just east of) Timbuktu. We have heard Obama called a "secret Muslim" and a radical Christian. We have heard that he "pals around with terrorists" and that he's a closeted socialist with deep-seated anti-colonial rage bent on taking down the United States of America from within. So it's not hard to understand why the satirical newspaper The Onion joked that a sizeable minority of Americans are now fearful that the president is, in fact, "a cactus."

Today, President Obama put it to rest. Or at least he tried to.

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He asked his lawyers to persuade the Hawaii Department of Health to bend their rules and release his long-form birth certificate, a document that ended up having about as much scandalous copy as the back of a box of Girl Scout cookies.

But no sooner did the president release his birth certificate than the leading lights of the "birther movement" lined up to take shots at their next target. Now they're questioning Obama's Social Security number, the use of his grandparents' address in his birth announcement, and the identification of his father's race as "African" on the birth certificate. They even wonder, out loud, about his undergraduate grade point average at Occidental College. When he was 19. (For the record, Obama went on to Columbia University and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School.)

Will this "sideshow" -- to use the president's term -- ever end? History, unfortunately, isn't on his side.

Why Obama is not first 'imposter' president and won't be the last

This pattern of vilifying one's political opponents is as old as the republic itself. John Adams, for example, our second president and by all accounts a decent and patriotic man, several times called our first Treasury secretary, Alexander Hamilton, who had been born out of wedlock, "the bastard brat of a Scotch peddler."

As CNN's John Blake noted last year, President Rutherford B. Hayes was regularly referred to as "His Fraudulency" after winning the presidency in the disputed election of 1876. And all this fuss about Obama's birth certificate bears a striking resemblance to what happened to another black U.S. politician.

As The Atlantic's Garrett Epps points out -- drawing on the research of legal scholar and law professor Richard Primus -- America's first black U.S. senator, Hiram Revels, had his swearing-in delayed for several days because Democrats in the chamber said he had not yet been "nine years a citizen of the United States," as required by Article II of the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment -- the one that guaranteed citizenship to black Americans -- had only been ratified two years earlier, in 1868.

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Despite this long tradition of trying to delegitimize a leader through personal attacks, these accusations reached a more frenzied pitch in the last few decades. President Lyndon Johnson was dogged by conspiracy theories that he played a role in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, accusations that made it all the way onto Oliver Stone's movie screens in the '90s.

While President Bill Clinton was in office, we heard crackpot theories ranging from airplanes loaded with cocaine on the tarmac in Mena, Arkansas, to the unending cries of foul play regarding Clinton confidante Vince Foster's 1993 suicide (a 1995 Time-CNN poll, conducted during the Senate hearings into the matter, found that only 35% of adults were convinced it was a suicide).

And who could forget the claims that President George W. Bush allowed -- or even ordered -- the 9/11 attacks? Ross Douthat noted last year that a third of Democrats, as late as 2007, still believed Bush had prior knowledge of the plot. Incredible.

11 political myths and conspiracy theories

It is often easier to attack a person's character than it is to fight it out on the merits of his or her policies. And, as we've already seen, even with Obama's long-form birth certificate in the open, more questions will arise. But they aren't the questions we should be asking. The questions we should be asking are the tough questions: How do we create more jobs in America? How do we seize control of our spiraling deficits? How do we remain competitive as a nation in the century ahead? The conspiracy questions might be easier to ask, and they might score points for the people who ask them, but they don't score points for this republic.

Like plenty of conspiracy theorists before them, the birthers have had their day in court. President Obama called their bluff and showed his cards, producing the documentation they requested. And so here it is.

Now it is time for us to turn our attention back to the real questions that need answers. It's time to move on.


The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of David Gergen and Mike Zuckerman.

garbon

Quote from: Valmy on April 28, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
Seriously?  The whining and outrage of political types is a constant, boring, and predictable daily happening.

Yes. Like you I generally don't pay attention but was curious how they were linking Trump to being a klansmen over this.  I also wonder why I am still a "friend" of these individuals.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.