Game of Thrones begins....

[Martinus]

Yeah, you know what I mean.

I think GRRM/Weiss/Benioff subverting the trope in his case, however, will mean that he will not come back fully himself.

[Grey Fox]

Interesting idea.

[HVC]

GRRM is gonna pet cemetery Jon? I still think that in the book hell warg into his wolf and eventually a dragon.

[grumbler]

Well, he is dead. It is just not a permanent state.

He's just asleep - though now they've stunned him.

[grumbler]

Yeah, you know what I mean.

I think GRRM/Weiss/Benioff subverting the trope in his case, however, will mean that he will not come back fully himself.

Yeah, that's consistent with what Dondorrian (sp?) experienced.

[crazy canuck]

I think he is alive and inhabiting the dire wolf atm.

[Eddie Teach]

I think he is alive and inhabiting the dire wolf atm.

This seems the most reasonable theory to fit all the facts. (If it was real, him being truly dead would, but that ignores his position in the tv show)

[Josquius]

I never got too into the dire wolf theory. Seems unnecessary with Mel around. Unless it's some way to get around the resurrected as a lessened person thing?
But that feels cheap.

Plus in the tv show have they ever gone into Jon warging? Can't remember it in recent series at the least.

[grumbler]

They did go into unnecessary detail on the Wildling warging into the eagle, so my guess is that that was shown to set up a main character doing the same.

[Martinus]

They did go into unnecessary detail on the Wildling warging into the eagle, so my guess is that that was shown to set up a main character doing the same.

Or that was just to show Bran's powers are not unique.

[Hamilcar]

But even in the book the basement bbq means the dorne storyline goes nowhere since we now know what happens to Marcella anyway.

You're assuming the point of the Dorne storyline is Quentyn.  I don't agree with that at all.  The Dorne storyline seems, to me, to be centered around Dorne attempting to side with and put a Targaryen on the throne again, which they are doing in the books, and probably will end up doing in the show, in abbreviated form.  The Sand Snakes will almost certainly side with Daenarys when she makes her landing.

The point of the Dorne storyline is that they (with the Facelessmen and Varys) are the primary opposition to the Bloodraven faction.

[Hamilcar]

Jon is not dead. I know GRRM is all about subverting narrative tropes, but it would simply be poor storytelling to build his backstory so much just to kill him off.

Plus, he is a Chekov's corpse - there is a reason why they spend so much time around it.

Jon's gone forever in Ghost. Bran will warg Jon (and soon-dead Jaime) to become the three-headed dragon, living out his fantasy of being a hero knight.

[Habbaku]

Hype machine is running at full speed tonight.  There might actually be some plot advancement!

[Josephus]

Hype machine is running at full speed tonight.  There might actually be some plot advancement!

Hope it doesn't get in the way of good nudity.

[grumbler]

All the giants and mountains had a good moment in this episode.

I'm not sure the show isn't making the same mistake with Roose that they made with Tywin; those competent scheming characters are scarce as hen's teeth and they can drive the show.  Killing them without need is wasteful.