Game of Thrones begins....

[Razgovory]

I think he'll die first.

[The Larch]

I loved how in the second episode, when Jon was leaving for the Wall and Eddard for King's Landing and they were saying farewell, Eddard told Jon kinda warmly "When we meet after I come back we'll talk about your mother". Everybody who read the books must have been thinking "Yeeeeeeeah, right".

[Eddie Teach]

Yep.  The idea that Martin has a secret brilliant ending that he is leading up to seems far-fetched to me.  The fact that it takes him half a decade to write each book tells me that he doesn't know where he is going.  In the end, I think he will settle for this d.e.m.-type solution, because it is easiest.

The hope is that he does know where he is going, just not how to get there.

[grumbler]

The hope is that he does know where he is going, just not how to get there.

When the Martintards were the BSGtards, they said the same thing.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Solmyr]

Jon is clearly the son of Aerys and Lyanna, and Tyrion is the son of Aerys and Tywin's wife (I forget her name). Thus Dany will marry both of them, repeating the situation of Aegon the Conqueror and his two sisters, only gender-swapped.

[Eddie Teach]

When the Martintards were the BSGtards, they said the same thing.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

It's not a mystery series, the quality of the works he's already published isn't contingent on how well he ties up loose ends.

[The Larch]

If you want some references for the different theories regarding Jon Snow's parents, at "The Tower of the Hand", the most authoritative site about the series, they have this:

http://www.towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html

There's a whole section of misteries and explanations for them:

http://www.towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/index.html

[Valmy]

I loved how in the second episode, when Jon was leaving for the Wall and Eddard for King's Landing and they were saying farewell, Eddard told Jon kinda warmly "When we meet after I come back we'll talk about your mother". Everybody who read the books must have been thinking "Yeeeeeeeah, right".

Yeah that was cute.

[LaCroix]

If a secret Jew during Holocaust kills someone who threatens to out him and his family to the nazis, would you call this a crime too?

or if a grallon smothered a child because the boy witnessed him fuck his younger brother

  all three scenarios morally equivalent

[The Larch]

To elaborate (SPOILERS).

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So all her subsequent crimes are based in making sure this truth is not out. So essentially it is self-defense.

Killing newborn babies out of spite for her husband is cool in your book, then.  What about purposedfully raising a borderline psychopathic son with no empathy whatsoever by encouraging him to embody all the worse personality traits conceivable? Cool as well? Despising your own brother for no apparent reason than a witch's vision is cool too? Endlessly plotting against perceived enemies out of irrational fear and an overbearing prideful personality is cool as well? Estranging allies, friends and family in favour of ass-lickers and social climbers?

Very little of that had to do with self-defense and much to do with her being, so to speak, a bitch. 

[grumbler]

Killing newborn babies out of spite for her husband is cool in your book, then.  What about purposedfully raising a borderline psychopathic son with no empathy whatsoever by encouraging him to embody all the worse personality traits conceivable? Cool as well? Despising your own brother for no apparent reason than a witch's vision is cool too? Endlessly plotting against perceived enemies out of irrational fear and an overbearing prideful personality is cool as well? Estranging allies, friends and family in favour of ass-lickers and social climbers?

Very little of that had to do with self-defense and much to do with her being, so to speak, a bitch. 

Yes, but the latter is probably what makes her such a hero to Marti.  Birds of a feather and all that. 

[Josquius]

What I just don't get is if Jon is Lyanna's kid why doesn't Ned tell his wife. It would save her and the kid a lot of grief and if she can't be trusted...well who can.

[LaCroix]

Very little of that had to do with self-defense and much to do with her being, so to speak, a bitch. 

seriously, would a nicer or less evil person in her shoes do all that she did? the answer is of course not

[Valmy]

What I just don't get is if Jon is Lyanna's kid why doesn't Ned tell his wife. It would save her and the kid a lot of grief and if she can't be trusted...well who can.

He promised Lyanna he would not tell anybody.

[Sophie Scholl]

The discussion of where the plot is going and if will ever be wrapped up in a legitimate manner reminds me of the old Lost discussions.  Or the BSG discussions as Grumbler mentioned.  Hod willing, this one actually works out.  Or, at the least, works out better than those two.