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Started by jimmy olsen, March 27, 2011, 11:06:27 PM

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DGuller

Quote from: garbon on March 28, 2011, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term.  Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs.  The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous.  The quality of life is likewise questionable at best.  Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.

Prices in the outer borough (well specifically Brooklyn) don't seem out of whack in comparison to other expensive cities in the US.  And I think that many people move to New York specifically for the lifestyle/QoL that it offers.
Lifestyle?  Maybe.  Different strokes for different folks. 

Quality of life?  I don't see it.  Living in loud cramped overcrowded quarters is pretty unpleasant regardless of what lifestyle you prefer.

garbon

Quote from: DGuller on March 28, 2011, 09:10:57 AM
Quality of life?  I don't see it.  Living in loud cramped overcrowded quarters is pretty unpleasant regardless of what lifestyle you prefer.

Apparently not considering that many people are willingly selecting it.  Besides the situation in the outer boroughs (and again specifically Brooklyn) is not entirely dire like the picture you present. I saw this weekend that if I were to move to the area of Greenpoint nearest to Williamsburg, I could get my pick of roomy two bedroom apartment for about the same cost that I paid for a one bedroom in San Francisco.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 27, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
QuoteNew York (CNN) -- City officials will formally challenge the Census Bureau's data for New York City, which Mayor Michael Bloomberg said understated the number of residents in Brooklyn and Queens and overstated the number of vacant housing units in the city.

Atlanta is considering a similar challenge.  The Census Bureau estimated over 500,000 people last year but then came in with an official total of 420,000.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/184524/40/Census-Atlanta-population-plummets-by-100000

dps

In all probability, every city in the country was somewhat undercounted.  It really only matters if some were significantly more undercounted than others.

The Brain

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term.  Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs.  The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous.  The quality of life is likewise questionable at best.  Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.

NYC has some built-in advantages, such as the fact that one of the main alternatives is New Jersey.

More seriously, Brooklyn and Queens compare pretty well in terms of cost-convenience-amenities with equivalent areas in Nassau county.
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citizen k

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 28, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 27, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I can't imagine how NYC can keep growing in the long term.  Its cost of living is astronomical, even in the outer boroughs.  The taxes, between federal, state, local, and sales, are enormous.  The quality of life is likewise questionable at best.  Without Wall Street siphoning wealth off from the rest of the world, the city would be deep in the dumps.

NYC has some built-in advantages, such as the fact that one of the main alternatives is New Jersey.

More seriously, Brooklyn and Queens compare pretty well in terms of cost-convenience-amenities with equivalent areas in Nassau county.

How does it compare with normal parts of the country?


Neil

Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?
Keeping records is no doubt a violation of their rights.  Black helicopters and black presidents would take their guns away.
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Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?

but the Democrats love sampling so much, bless their hearts.
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KRonn

Quote from: The Brain on March 28, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
Has America considered using written records?
No scribes allowed!!!   :mad:

Savonarola

Bing is also requesting a recount here in Detroit; as our population has fallen from about a million to under 750,000.  Even with the decline in population of the state and the continued flight of the black middle class from the city one quarter of the population does seem like too much of a drop.  However the previous census record comes from a recount done during the Kwame Kilpatrick administration and there's some concern that the method of counting he used might not have been entirely honest.  :unsure:
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