Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Barrister]

I don't really understand having a 70+ year old refugee camp. And it was only occupied by the Israelis in 1967, so they had a refugee camp for over 15 years. Camps are supposed to be temporary until you find a permanent place for the refugees to go. What was the plan? To just keep everybody in camps until Israel was destroyed?

That was very much the plan.

Remember that Palestinians are the only people that have their own dedicated UN Refugee agency - UNRWA.  All other refugees are covered by UNHCR.

Arab nations did not want to re-settle Palestinian refugees in their countries precisely because they wanted to keep up the pressure on Israel (and of course initially they thought Israel would fall fairly quickly).  Western countries in the aftermath of WWII weren't all that eager to re-settle Palestinians when they had so many other refugees/RPs to deal with.  Palestinians themselves didn't necessarily want to re-settle elsewhere as that might mean giving up on their "right of return".

So not trying to find fault or blame here - but yes, that's why refugee camps exist 70 years later.

[grumbler]

I don't really understand having a 70+ year old refugee camp. And it was only occupied by the Israelis in 1967, so they had a refugee camp for over 15 years. Camps are supposed to be temporary until you find a permanent place for the refugees to go. What was the plan? To just keep everybody in camps until Israel was destroyed?

I think that it is a mistake to think of the Palestinian refugee situation as part of a single plan. Originally, these refugees were those who fled Israel during the fighting (over several wars).  Israel refused to allow them to return to their homes because it was easier to maintain the concept of a Jewish homeland with fewer non-Jews in it.  The neighboring countries refused to grant them immigrant status because (1) doing so would relieve the pressure on Israel to deal with the Palestinian issue, and (2) Palestinian nationalism made Palestinians prickly citizens even in those countries, like Jordan, that had a fairly large indigenous Palestinian population.

Except for the Israeli actions, none of this was originally part of some big plan.  When the PLO became the dominant Palestinian political force, they definitively had a plan to use the Palestinian refugee issue as a means of turning the world against Israel (a plan that, admittedly, the Israelis made increasingly viable by their slow turning of occupation into apartheid), but that was after the fact.  Palestinians largely want to live in an independent Palestine, not in some other country and those who were willing to emigrate have done so.

[Razgovory]

Yes, you have to worry about "prickly" people.  Putting them into camps is really the only viable solution I suppose.

[viper37]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

[Razgovory]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

We will be given new land in newly annexed Quebec.

[DGuller]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

We will be given new land in newly annexed Quebec.

And the average level of wealth in both US and Quebec would increase.

[viper37]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

We will be given new land in newly annexed Quebec.

Nah, Trump only wants Alberta.  You'll be living in outside Fort McMurray and forced to work in the oil fields to earn your social security check.

[Razgovory]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

We will be given new land in newly annexed Quebec.

Nah, Trump only wants Alberta.  You'll be living in outside Fort McMurray and forced to work in the oil fields to earn your social security check.

I am having a trouble understand what your point in this is.

[Grey Fox]

I wonder what will happen to the new wave of homeless people following the 1-2 trillion budget cuts in the new Musk-Trump administration?  Will they be moved in camps too?

We will be given new land in newly annexed Quebec.

And the average level of wealth in both US and Quebec would increase.

 

Their land is Rugged Canadian Shield. They will die.