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Started by Martinus, March 21, 2011, 08:36:07 AM

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Valmy

#75
October 25, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Which seems to support the notion that the concept should be scrapped, no? ;)

So we should just have no tech?  Pretty sure tech did advance between 1066 and 1453.  I actually liked the way CK did it.  Tech was important but not the huge end all be all it was in the EU.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Brain

#76
October 25, 2011, 08:36:21 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Pretty sure tech did advance between 1066 and 1453.

Source?
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Valmy

#77
October 25, 2011, 08:45:31 AM
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

The Brain

#78
October 25, 2011, 08:56:36 AM
OK.
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garbon

#79
October 25, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Which seems to support the notion that the concept should be scrapped, no? ;)

So we should just have no tech?  Pretty sure tech did advance between 1066 and 1453.  I actually liked the way CK did it.  Tech was important but not the huge end all be all it was in the EU.

I like this that Viking said:

QuoteI don't think there should be any form of focus and a technology should be invented and then spread either through having that tech used against you in war and/or a progressive lord hiring a foreign specialist.
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Razgovory

#80
October 25, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2011, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Which seems to support the notion that the concept should be scrapped, no? ;)

So we should just have no tech?  Pretty sure tech did advance between 1066 and 1453.  I actually liked the way CK did it.  Tech was important but not the huge end all be all it was in the EU.

I never liked researching tech in these type of games.  Idea of actively researching something for a desired end result is sort of anachronistic in this time period.  Generally speaking, States didn't hire people to come up with better crop rotation or put people together in a room to invent a county fair.  There are a few counter-examples.  Dionysius of Syracuse had people come up with weapons, but that was fairly rare.  I don't think people recognized technology as a source of power as we do today.  You start to see it in the Early Modern period, but even them many inventions were developed by individuals acting on their own.
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Valmy

#81
October 25, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2011, 10:45:29 AM
I never liked researching tech in these type of games.  Idea of actively researching something for a desired end result is sort of anachronistic in this time period.  Generally speaking, States didn't hire people to come up with better crop rotation or put people together in a room to invent a county fair.  There are a few counter-examples.  Dionysius of Syracuse had people come up with weapons, but that was fairly rare.  I don't think people recognized technology as a source of power as we do today.  You start to see it in the Early Modern period, but even them many inventions were developed by individuals acting on their own.

Ok that is pretty convincing.  Hellenstic stuff from a thousand years before is not even relevent.  I guess the tech should just creep along and you should not be able to research it like Viking suggested.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

frunk

#82
October 25, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
I could see certain types of settings or developments fostering technological innovation (open society, encouraging education/universities), but it should be more of a side effect and not be that huge a difference.

Barrister

#83
October 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
The trouble with that idea is it doesn't sound like very much fun.

In these kinds of games you want to be able to do stuff and change stuff.  Things that just happen behind the scenes without any input by the player are boring.
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garbon

#84
October 25, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
The trouble with that idea is it doesn't sound like very much fun.

In these kinds of games you want to be able to do stuff and change stuff.  Things that just happen behind the scenes without any input by the player are boring.

You might have a point if the tech system (that's currently in the CK series) was any fun.
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Barrister

#85
October 25, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 25, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
The trouble with that idea is it doesn't sound like very much fun.

In these kinds of games you want to be able to do stuff and change stuff.  Things that just happen behind the scenes without any input by the player are boring.

You might have a point if the tech system (that's currently in the CK series) was any fun.

I don't mind it, but it's hardly the highlight of CK.
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garbon

#86
October 25, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 25, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM
The trouble with that idea is it doesn't sound like very much fun.

In these kinds of games you want to be able to do stuff and change stuff.  Things that just happen behind the scenes without any input by the player are boring.

You might have a point if the tech system (that's currently in the CK series) was any fun.

I don't mind it, but it's hardly the highlight of CK.

So basically back to what I said again. :P
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Fireblade

#87
October 25, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
What bugged me about CK's tech system was that you started off in the stone age.

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Valmy

#88
October 25, 2011, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Fireblade on October 25, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
What bugged me about CK's tech system was that you started off in the stone age.

"Warsaw Discovers Chickens"
"Silesia Discovers Short Swords"

Yeah that took a little getting used to.  It made me wonder what exactly my knights were wearing and fighting with, since swords and armor had yet to be invented.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Maximus

#89
October 25, 2011, 03:31:56 PM
Yea that always got me too. I like Vikings ideas.

Also didn't get into beta. Just as well, I probably wouldn't have time to play.
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