Hungarian Politics

[Ed Anger]

BEET RAGE

Having a filthy rich lawyer implying that destroying a country is ok as long as it is in the name of communism is a bit annoying.

I hear you. He's likely posting that while holding a glass of Merlot and acting fruity.

[Martinus]

I gotta say I have a hard time with Tamas's reports of Orban's misrule. On one hand, Orban is clearly an authoritarian would be dictator. On the other hand, Tamas's political views are questionable, especially when it comes to stuff like public spending.

It figures that you approve his ways of nationalising private property. You know, the evil 1% opressor kind of property, like employees' private pension savings. Twat.

I am just not sure in whose hands the pension money is less safe - those of the government or private fund managers.

[Martinus]

BEET RAGE

Having a filthy rich lawyer implying that destroying a country is ok as long as it is in the name of communism is a bit annoying.

I hear you. He's likely posting that while holding a glass of Merlot and acting fruity.

Acting I was at a restaurant at a time eating a spinach and shrimp risotto. Lunch at work so no wine.

But Merlot is such a low class wine. I wouldn't touch it.

[Sheilbh]

Just to test the waters, how would you feel about a poor lawyer doing it?

[Tamas]

I gotta say I have a hard time with Tamas's reports of Orban's misrule. On one hand, Orban is clearly an authoritarian would be dictator. On the other hand, Tamas's political views are questionable, especially when it comes to stuff like public spending.

It figures that you approve his ways of nationalising private property. You know, the evil 1% opressor kind of property, like employees' private pension savings. Twat.

I am just not sure in whose hands the pension money is less safe - those of the government or private fund managers.

My savings have always been in the green except for 2008 (I have been in the riskiest portfolio), overall a pretty sweet gain in the past 8 years.

The government, in the previous, much bigger, nationalisation round (where it wasn't mandatory, as you could go to the state pension office and declare that you did NOT want your private account be nationalised, heh), gained around one billion euros.
It's gone. All of it. It has been gone since mid- late 2013. Every penny. In 3 years. Poof.

And that money was THE source of investment companies got from local Hungarian sources, via the different pension funds investing them. That is also gone as a source of capital.

I will let you do the math and figure out which has been better for the country. The capitalist way, or the socialist way.

[Jacob]

I gotta say I have a hard time with Tamas's reports of Orban's misrule. On one hand, Orban is clearly an authoritarian would be dictator. On the other hand, Tamas's political views are questionable, especially when it comes to stuff like public spending.

It figures that you approve his ways of nationalising private property. You know, the evil 1% opressor kind of property, like employees' private pension savings. Twat.

That's not it. It's that your comments on political stuff the rest of us are familiar with are so overwrought, it's hard to know how accurate your descriptions of the situation in Hungary is.

[The Brain]

I think it's safe to say that Socialism sucks.

[Tamas]

I gotta say I have a hard time with Tamas's reports of Orban's misrule. On one hand, Orban is clearly an authoritarian would be dictator. On the other hand, Tamas's political views are questionable, especially when it comes to stuff like public spending.

It figures that you approve his ways of nationalising private property. You know, the evil 1% opressor kind of property, like employees' private pension savings. Twat.

That's not it. It's that your comments on political stuff the rest of us are familiar with are so overwrought, it's hard to know how accurate your descriptions of the situation in Hungary is.

Luckily there is a growing number of western newspapers you can rely on, who are telling basically the same thing.

[Tamas]

And there are Russian newspapers who do not really contradict me either, but they approve the processes.

[Tamas]

I love the body language on this photo made today, because it shows who rules in Hungary:




On the right, clearly taking the position  of authority and disappointment over the guy on the left, is Janos Lazar, Orban's right hand. Before becoming that, he was the mayor of a large town, managing to run its budget to the ground. Before that, he was the assistant (as in, secretary) of the town's previous mayor. Before that, he was in university.
But don't be fooled. He has big power now. He leads the "Prime Minsiter's Ministry" and everything involved with paying out money is concentrated in that ministry. Nobody spends a penny without this guy signing off on it.

On the left, sitting like a chicken shit scared employee, is the Chief Prosecutor of Hungary.

[Syt]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/08/hungary-mandatory-drug-tests-children

Hungary considering mandatory drug tests for children, politicians and press

MPs from ruling Fidesz party back plan for yearly tests between ages 12 and 18 to 'protect children and help fight drug trafficking'

MPs from Hungary's ruling rightwing Fidesz party have backed a proposal to conduct yearly mandatory drug tests on children between the age of 12 and 18.

Antal Rogán, head of the Fidesz parliamentary group, said the plan needed some "strong adjustments" but claimed it would protect children and fight drug trafficking and organised crime.

A draft of the bill is expected to be ready in February for debate in parliament, where Fidesz has a two-thirds majority of seats.

Rogán said the test results would be revealed only to parents, and a positive test would have no legal consequences for minors.

Last week Fidesz's communications director, Máté Kocsis, said the tests would also apply to politicians and journalists. Rogán said legal consultations were needed to determine whether those groups could be included.

[Ed Anger]

 

[garbon]

What would be the point of spending money in that fashion?

[Sheilbh]

Interesting:
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKKBN0KB1C720150102

Hungarian protesters keep up pressure on government
Fri, Jan 02 21:20 PM GMT
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By Sandor Peto and Krisztina Fenyo

BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Thousands of Hungarians staged an anti-government protest on Friday, maintaining pressure on Prime Minister Viktor Orban's centre-right administration which has lost about a third of its popular support since October.

Orban's Fidesz party won a new term with a two-thirds majority in April but its support has waned in the last few months as civic groups organised rallies against its policies, forcing Orban to back down from a plan to tax Internet traffic.

Despite a 10 percentage point drop in support, according to the latest opinion poll by Szazadveg, Fidesz' 25 percent backing still eclipses that of the far-right Jobbik which has 14 percent and the Socialists with 11 percent.

Protesters on Friday said they were demonstrating for democracy and against poverty and accused the government of undermining democratic checks and balances, something it denies.

"We feel that democracy has suffered a very serious blow," said teacher Zsuzsa Veress, at the rally in the drizzling rain in the centre of Budapest.

The groups that have organised the rallies have kept their distance from the unpopular opposition parties. There were no party symbols on display at Friday's rally, called by the MostMi! ("Endow!) movement, and the typical banner was the European Union's starred blue flag.

One protester, Mire Gyongyosi, a haulage entrepreneur in his 40s, said he wanted the civic groups to become an organised force.

"I would like them to get into parliament independently from the other parties, and then we would have people there whom the country accepts because they are not yet tainted and have not sullied themselves in the past decades," he said.

(Reporting by Sandor Peto and Krisztina Fenyo; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)

Fidesz followed by Jobbik

[Admiral Yi]

That's not it. It's that your comments on political stuff the rest of us are familiar with are so overwrought, it's hard to know how accurate your descriptions of the situation in Hungary is.

He's not editorializing, he's reporting fact.  Unless he's been caught out in a lie before, I don't see the grounds for calling Tamas a liar.

And as he said, whether the government is spending money on footie stadiums or not is something that is easy to verify.