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Started by Tamas, March 09, 2011, 01:25:14 PM

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Tamas

Quote from: The Larch on February 10, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
I doubt that the EU would allow such a blatant restriction on the movement of workers.

well it is not restricting their movement, it is just having pay them some huge-ass amount of money if they leave :contract:

The Larch

Quote from: Tamas on February 10, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 10, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
I doubt that the EU would allow such a blatant restriction on the movement of workers.

well it is not restricting their movement, it is just having pay them some huge-ass amount of money if they leave :contract:

Thus effectively restricting the movement of workers.  :P

Sheilbh

Quote from: The Larch on February 10, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 10, 2013, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: The Larch on February 10, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
I doubt that the EU would allow such a blatant restriction on the movement of workers.

well it is not restricting their movement, it is just having pay them some huge-ass amount of money if they leave :contract:

Thus effectively restricting the movement of workers.  :P
This does seem a bit like Baldrick proposing a very cunning plan to get past the ECJ :lol:
Let's bomb Russia!

Tamas

Fans of FIDESZ have been holding "Peace Marches" to show mass support for their government and leader, beloved Orban.

The socialists organized a demonstration labelled "Hunger March" yesterday, in front of Parlaiment, in part to mock that name, I think.

Few things happened:

first, in funny twist of fate, scheduled maintenance work on the park in front of Parliament suddenly got switched to yesterday, so they couldn't get real close to the buildings, due to ditches, pipes, and construction machinery.

secondly, when they got there, a huge-ass sign was welcoming them above the parking place of Parliament, reading "welcome, participants of the socialst Powerhunger March!"

Who put it up there? Nobody knew. They couldn't take it down, as it was behind the triple police line of defense (I think there were more police officers than protesters).

But somebody made a pic yesterday afternoon:



So looks like the police actively helped put up the protester-mocking sign.
Also, that greenish-uniformed fellow in the back is a member of the newly formed Parliament Guard, under personal command of Chairman of the House, and aggressive asshole Laszlo Kover.


Tamas


Tamas

"Altough we beat their corruption-expert packs off from under our windows, there are still people who replaced their red underwears with orange ones, and make sure it peaks out of their clothing. The fight against them will occupy us for a long time to come".

Is that a quote from the "peace fight" times of the 50s? No, it is from Orban's yearly speech.
Looks like with the IMF as good as gone and no negotiations, he quickly needed a new enemy, and they will be the turncloacks, the not true FIDESZ-supporters, the ones not pure in heart.

alfred russel

Rejoice Tamas, today Italy made Hungary look a bit better.

And actually among EU countries, if anyone cared about Romania and Bulgaria, or if internet connections enabled their citizens to participate on languish, they would make Hungary look better too.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

garbon

Quote from: alfred russel on February 26, 2013, 12:38:37 PM
Rejoice Tamas, today Italy made Hungary look a bit better.

And actually among EU countries, if anyone cared about Romania and Bulgaria, or if internet connections enabled their citizens to participate on languish, they would make Hungary look better too.

Wasn't that hot guy we had once from Romania?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Zanza

Alexandru H was from Romania.

garbon

Quote from: Zanza on February 26, 2013, 12:54:47 PM
Alexandru H was from Romania.

Yeah and I believe the hot guy was his friend.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

alfred russel

Quote from: Zanza on February 26, 2013, 12:54:47 PM
Alexandru H was from Romania.

Wasn't he the guy that saw Jesus on his wall or something?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014


Tamas

Americans like to discuss Amendments, now we will have one of our own! Well, it's the 4th in like 15 months, but anyways. It's a major one, which will get voted today.
The key for it is that there were several "temporary addendums" which they pasted in as "laws" but actually changed how the constitution worked. The Constitutional Court got pissed off after a while and declared that these are in fact affecting the constitutional rights and therefore are unconstitutional laws.
So now Orban is having all of the controversial stuff added straight into the constitution. So, a lot of the amendment was in fact recently found unconstitutional. But since they will be raised into constitutional status, they will cease to be unconstitutional, duh.

Key points (ALL of these will be part of the Constitution):

-"servitude" of college/uni graduates (where holders of state-financed diplomas must stay in the country for two years or pay their education)

-anti hate-speech laws will be raised into the constitution. I think the most important part here is that until now "public figures" had to put up with people having opinions about them in public. Not so much after this.

-leader of the office of judges (not sure of the best translation, an office they created to control judges-related stuff, chaired by the wife of a FIDESZ leader), will have the right to move any court cases to a court and judge of his/her choosing (eg. move a case from a Budapest court to Bumfuckville)

-Parliament will decide which organization is a church/religion and which isn't

-Constitutional court will not have the right to opinionate on budget-changing laws (no wonder. they fucked up the socialist governments on several occassions by having the const. court destroy their reform plans)

-the applicable governmental office will be able to make decisions instead of local municipalities if they fail to make a decision  by the applicable deadline

-if the EU or other organization fines Hungary for anything, the amount of the fine must be collected from the population in form of a one-time special tax

-the Constitutional Court will not be able to investigate ANY laws if the lawmaker did not specifically ask them to do so. Also, they cannot any more reference their decisions made before the enactment of the current constitution

-local municipalities will be required to give shelter to the homeless, but also make it illegal to to be homeless, basically. Sleeping in public spaces will be unconstitutional, in a way.

-"marriage is the union of a man and a woman"

-"basis of the family is marriage, and the parent-child relation". The Const. Court destroyed this earlier in it's law-form, because it is retarded (let alone partners, but siblings living together under the same roof could not be considered a family under this). No bother, they just make it constitutional

-during election campaigns, campaigning in any form of media but the state-ran can be banned.

plus a bunch of minor stuff, like they write it into the constitution that the situation of the agriculture (I guess the fact that not everything is yet under FIDESZ ownership) must be managed by 2/3rd law in the future


Plus, for added flavor, they will write it into law today, that electricity services (for households), cannot make a profit. They are planning to buy the electricity companies, so they don't stop here with showing them the finger. While they will be banned from making "profit", there will be new requirements for the number of customer service offices they must maintain, they cannot charge more than maintenance cost for streetlights and other municipal services, and a bunch of other "why? fuck you, that's why" regulations.

Crazy_Ivan80


Syt

Quote from: Tamas on March 11, 2013, 03:17:37 AM
-during election campaigns, campaigning in any form of media but the state-ran can be banned.

Can you elaborate? Would online ad campaigns/websites be forbidden?
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