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Started by Tamas, March 09, 2011, 01:25:14 PM

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Crazy_Ivan80

indeed, get out while you still can.

Tamas

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on December 29, 2011, 06:45:21 AM
indeed, get out while you still can.

It does start to look like it will come down to that consideration, doesn't it?

I always entertained the tought of moving abroad, but a couple of years ago I more or less determined that the advantages I have here at home outweight the disadvantages.

Well, that conclusion is rapidly losing ground.

Tamas

Janos Lazar, the faction leader of FIDESZ has been a quick-rising star in the party, and a perfect example of their attitude: ruthless, arrogant, and and a good servant of the Leader

A few months ago an audio recording from his time as mayor of a minor city was leaked. It was a council meeting, and I can't recall the details but he made a remark that "those who achieved nothing worth exactly that" and "he can have no sympathies for those who are not successful".
What makes it especially arrogant that his "achievment" was to be an asskisser lackey of the previous mayor, so effectively, that he became his successor.

So anyway, in 2006 as Mayor, he took up a serious CHF loan for the city via bonds. Much chest-beating was over it apparently, much bonuses paid for city council leaders on their successful financial wizardry, etc.

Needless to say, it is firing back on the city badly now, and they are in danger of going bankrupt on Lazar's heritage.

So how is he solving that? He has sent an OPEN LETTER to the bank who bought their CHF bonds, telling them to let some of the debt go, or he will push through punitive legislation on them and the rest of the sector.


Sheilbh

Just read this Tamas.  Terrifying:
QuoteHungary's Constitutional Revolution
Kim Lane Scheppele

Last week, Paul Krugman's column "Depression and Democracy" called attention to Hungary's "authoritarian slide." Since I was one of the sources for Paul's column, I'd like to explain why I have been alarmed at the state of both constitutionalism and democracy in Hungary.

In a free and fair election last spring in Hungary, the center-right political party, Fidesz, got 53% of the vote. This translated into 68% of the seats in the parliament under Hungary's current disproportionate election law. With this supermajority, Fidesz won the power to change the constitution. They have used this power in the most extreme way at every turn, amending the constitution ten times in their first year in office and then enacting a wholly new constitution that will take effect on January 1, 2012.

This constitutional activity has transformed the legal landscape to remove checks on the power of the government and put virtually all power into the hands of the current governing party for the foreseeable future.

The new constitution has attracted a great deal of criticism from the Venice Commission for Democracy through Law of the Council of Europe, the European Parliament and the United States. But the Fidesz government has paid no attention.

Under the new constitutional order, the judiciary has taken the largest hit. The Constitutional Court, which once had the responsibility to review nearly all laws for constitutionality, has been killed off in three ways. First, the government expanded the number of judges on the bench and filled the new positions with their own political allies (think: Roosevelt's court-packing plan). Then, the government restricted the jurisdiction of the court so that it can no longer review any law that has an impact on the budget, like laws pertaining to taxes and austerity programs, unless the law infringes particular listed rights. Finally, the government changed the rules of access to the court so that it will no longer be easily able to review laws in the abstract for their compliance with the constitution. Moreover, individuals can no longer challenge the constitutionality of laws without first going through a lengthy process in the ordinary courts. The old Constitutional Court, which has served as the major check on governmental power in a unicameral parliamentary system, is now functionally dead.

The ordinary judiciary has suffered a similar fate. The government lowered the retirement age for judges from 70 to 62, giving judges only a few months to adjust to their new futures. More than 200 judges will be forced to retire from the bench starting on January 1, including most of the court presidents who assign cases and manage the daily workings of courts. The new law on the judiciary requires that the Supreme Court president have at least five years of Hungarian judicial experience. The current president of the Supreme Court is disqualified because his 17 years of experience as a judge on the European Court of Human Rights do not count. Therefore, he must leave office on January 1 also.

The law on the judiciary also creates a new National Judicial Office with a single person at the helm who has the power to replace the retiring judges and to name future judges. This person also has the power to move any sitting judge to a different court. A new constitutional amendment – to the new constitution! – will permit both the public prosecutor and the head of this new National Judicial Office to choose which judge will hear each case.


The independence of the judiciary is over when a government puts its own judges onto the bench, moves them around at will, and then selects which ones get particular cases to decide.

The Vice President of the European Commission for Justice, Fundamental Rights and Citizenship, Viviane Reding, issued a strongly worded request for information about the new law last week and demanded immediate replies from the Hungarian government. She also strongly urged the government "to ensure . . . that no measure is implemented until doubts about its compliance with EU law are removed." The government responded by saying all of these changes are improvements and it seems to be going ahead with implementing the new constitutional framework despite the strong caution from Brussels.

In the new constitutional system, the legal supervision of elections has also been changed. Before the last election, the norm was for the five-member Election Commission to be politically diverse and for the government of the day to consult the opposition before nominating candidates. But the rules were changed last year so that each new national election is now accompanied by a new choice of election commissioners. As a result, the existing commissioners were removed from their offices without allowing them to finish their terms and now the Election Commission consists of five members of the governing party.

The new election law specifies the precise boundaries of the new electoral districts that will send representatives to the parliament. But the new districts are drawn in such a way that no other party on the political horizon besides Fidesz is likely to win elections. A respected Hungarian think tank ran the numbers from the last three elections using the new district boundaries. Fidesz would have won all three elections, including the two they actually lost.

Virtually every independent political institution has taken a hit. The human rights, data protection and minority affairs ombudsmen have been collapsed into one lesser post. The public prosecutor, the state audit office and, most recently, the Central Bank are all slated for more overtly political management in the new legal order.

And all of this has happened while the press operates under day-to-day intimidation. A draconian set of media laws created a new media board – staffed only by Fidesz party loyalists with a chair who is appointed by the Prime Minister to a nine-year term. This board can review all public and private media for their compliance with a nebulous standard of political "balance" and has the power to bankrupt any news organization with large fines.
It is not surprising that the media have become self-censoring. This new media regime has been severely criticized by the European Commissioner for Communications, among others.

The new constitution also accepts conservative Christian social doctrine as state policy, in a country where only 21% of the population attends any religious services at all. The fetus is protected from the moment of conception. Marriage is only legal if between a man and a woman. The constitution "recognize(s) the role of Christianity in preserving nationhood" and holds that "the family and the nation constitute the principal framework of our coexistence." While these religious beliefs are hard-wired into the constitution, a new law on the status of religion cut the number of state-recognized churches to only fourteen, deregistering 348 other churches.

In a democracy, the population can "throw the bums out" and replace the government with a different one that can change the policies that do not have public support. But that will be nearly impossible under this constitution. In addition to compromising institutions that are necessary for a free and fair election – like a free press and a neutral election apparatus – the new constitution embeds Fidesz control even if another political party defies the odds and wins an election.

The new constitution makes huge swaths of public policy changeable only by a two-thirds vote of any subsequent parliament. From here on, all tax and fiscal policy must be decided by a two-thirds supermajority. Even the precise boundaries of electoral districts cannot be changed by simple majority vote, but only by a two-third supermajority. If a new government gets a mere majority, policies instituted during the Fidesz government cannot be changed.


That's not all. The long arm of the current Fidesz government can grab and shake any foreseeable future government through the officials they are now putting into place. The new constitutional order extends the terms of office for the public prosecutor (9 years), the head of the state audit office (12 years), the head of the national judicial office (9 years), the head of the media board (9 years), the head of the budget council (6 years) and more. Each of these positions has been filled with Fidesz party loyalists who will be able to conduct public investigations, intimidate the media, press criminal charges and continue to pack the courts long after the government's current term is over. Moreover, unless there is a two-thirds vote to replace these new office holders, they can stay in office until such a two-thirds vote can be achieved, which could extend these long terms of office even further.

How do all of these pieces work together? One example will illustrate. The constitution creates a national budget council with the power to veto any future budget that adds to the national debt, which any foreseeable budget will do. The members of the budget council have been chosen by this government for terms of 6 or 12 years and can only be replaced if two-thirds of the parliament can agree on new candidates when their terms are over. Another part of the constitution requires the parliament to pass a budget by March 31 of each year. If the parliament fails to do so, the president of the country can dissolve the parliament and call new elections. When these pieces are put together, the constraints on any future government are clear. A new government will pass a budget – but that budget can be vetoed by Fidesz loyalists so that the budget deadline is missed, and then the president (also named by Fidesz) will call new elections. And this can be repeated until an acceptable government is voted back into power.

The only parties that might replace Fidesz in the current Hungarian landscape are the Socialist Party or, in a real nightmare scenario, the far-right Jobbik. Under laws that preceded Fidesz's election last year, political parties that are anti-constitutional may be banned. Some have suggested that Fidesz could eliminate Jobbik in this way. In fact, Europe probably would not mind if Jobbik were excluded from public life because other European countries can ban extremist parties also. But what about Fidesz's primary competition – the Socialists?

According to a proposed constitutional amendment, the crimes of the former communist party will be listed in the constitution and the statute of limitations for prosecuting crimes committed during the communist period will be lifted. The former communist party is branded a criminal organization and the current opposition Socialist Party is designated as their legal successor. It is still unclear, legally speaking, what this amendment means. But it is probably not good for the major opposition party.

The Fidesz government has accomplished this constitutional revolution by legal means after a democratic election. But though Fidesz was democratically elected and has accomplished this program through constitutional change, Hungary is not a constitutional democracy. Instead Hungary is, as Paul Krugman said, sliding into authoritarianism.

I saw in a follow up post:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/more-hungary/#
That Fidesz's popularity has halved.  But it looks like no-one else is picking it up:

From that I've two questions.  What's the chances of Jobbik taking over from the Socialists as the second party?  Is there any hope of an organised opposition actually emerging out of the unhappiness that's clearly there?
Let's bomb Russia!

Syt

Prediction: people's unhappiness with prevailing government doctrine will at some point render Hungary an ungovernable poorhouse. The smart people will leave the country for better opportunities abroad. The economic decline will continue and Hungary will turn into a new poorhouse of Europe. The prevailing government will blame this on foreign influences, isolating themselves further a.s.o. a.s.f.

Shame, really, Hungary was one of the countries of Ex-Warsaw Pact that I thought would get their shit together quickly (together with Poles and Czechs).
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Zanza

I wonder what they'll do when they go bankrupt very soon.

Tamas

Quote from: Zanza on December 30, 2011, 07:01:46 AM
I wonder what they'll do when they go bankrupt very soon.

Well before bankrupcy, they will use the Central Banks' considerable euro reserves to buy up state bonds which are like, not selling on the market below 8-9% or so right now.
Then they might get their hands on savings account, who knows. THEN, bankrupcy.

And Sheilbh, all of that article is true, and the saddest thing is that the population takes it with indifference and lethargy. Sure, they complain to friends and coworkers, but to do something? Nah, we will have a violent uprising when things become totally unbearable, but we are a very passive nation.


Ed Anger

We might get a new wave of Hungarian porn 'starlets'.  :)
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Martinus

#143
Btw, is there any chance of any internal, sensible opposition forming within Fidesz and taking the power away from these lunatics? Surely not everyone there is a closet dictator - or are they?

I'm asking because what actually broke PiS down was the fact that PO and PiS went to 2005 elections with a similar programme and a unified front (POPiS) but quickly fell out and eventually became mortal enemies. PO then needed to differentiate themselves from PiS and adopted a much more conciliatory rhetorics. If POPiS was a single party, it would be similar to Hungary imo.

Martinus

Hungary is like a twilight zone version of Poland, where PiS wins a decisive victory and faces no opposition.

Btw, in Poland during the PiS rule they faced an almost unified front of media, celebrities, intellectuals, professions such as lawyers, judges, doctors etc. that eventually broke them. Why are such groups so apparently weak in Hungary? Is this a legacy of 1956 somehow that people are not accustomed to civil resistance?

Tamas

Quote from: Martinus on December 30, 2011, 08:31:30 AM
Btw, is there any chance of any internal, sensible opposition forming within Fidesz and taking the power away from these lunatics? Surely not everyone there is a closet dictator - or are they?

I'm asking because what actually broke PiS down was the fact that PO and PiS went to 2005 elections with a similar programme and a unified front (POPiS) but quickly fell out and eventually became mortal enemies. If POPiS was a single party, it would be similar to Hungary imo.

Those people have been pushed out of leadership positions, and been marginalized by Orban. Everyone with a position of actual power owes that position personally to Orban, and got it on accounts of his loyalty to him.

Tamas

#146
Quote from: Martinus on December 30, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
Hungary is like a twilight zone version of Poland, where PiS wins a decisive victory and faces no opposition.

Btw, in Poland during the PiS rule they faced an almost unified front of media, celebrities, intellectuals, professions such as lawyers, judges, doctors etc. that eventually broke them. Why are such groups so apparently weak in Hungary? Is this a legacy of 1956 somehow that people are not accustomed to civil resistance?

Well, it's a bit complex. We have no radical, violent far left. We have almost all of the mob on the far right, and mostly controlled by FIDESZ. The rest of it is with Jobbik, but for whatever reason, Jobbik has been the mildest opposition party. Sure, they complain for a lack of improvement in public safety, but what else can they do? Their "program" includes being angry at the jews and gypsies and homosexuals, and being all full of proud national rhetoric. The latter is COMPLETELY stolen by FIDESZ, the rest is stolen in part.
The thing is, you cannot get into a populist brawling match with FIDESZ without a serious risk of losing. And Jobbik can only gain by letting things play out - the collapse of the country will drive people to them, and the new laws will serve their undemocratic ways nicely.

The left is still disabled by the leading position of the Socialists. They have lost all credibility, and the new leftist party, LMP, is too much of a local debate group of big city hipsters to hold any kind of popular appeal in a country of bluecollar city dwellers and rural rednecks.

Besides, you cannot overtake FIDESZ from the left either. What are you going to do? Promise more state control of the economy? Compared to FIDESZ? LULZ. More welfare? The country is on the brink of bankrupcy because FIDESZ refuses to cut state spending in a meaningful ways.

What you are left with is protesting the things in Sheilb's article, but the people do not care enough for that. They care about the momentary state of their wallets. Affect that, and they will shout. Avoid immediate effect on their short-term financial status and they will let you do anything. This is the great lesson Orban knows fully well.

Tamas

hehe, Jobbik just did something: they asked for national referendum on a bunch of laws which were to be accepted today. Two laws, actually, the religious one, and one consisting several modifications to make laws compatible with the new constitution - I don't know the details.

Now, it will be the Parlaiment to decide wether a referendum can be held. So there won't be any. But by current rules, this decision can only be made in February.

Tamas

One of the just accepted laws let the state institute special taxes in case an international organization, like the EU Comission or anyone else, would fine Hungary. :lol:

Sheilbh

I like the LMP by the sound of them :)

Do you not have a liberal party of some form?

This is a bit of a tangent but how does Hungary have so few parties?  It seems very odd for a continental country.

Could corruption cause the downfall of Fidesz?  I think it was in the Czech Republic where two entirely new parties overtook all the established ones on anti-corruption platforms. 
Let's bomb Russia!