Hungarian Politics

[Tamas]

Jobbik didn't let the list thing go.

Their angry nerd-looking prominent MP (husband of their female MP), wrote an e-mail to all the other MPs, demanding them to tell if they have any second citizenships.

According to him, the justice minister was first to reply that he does not.

A female MP from LMP (green hipster party with no identifiable program apart from spending more money than FIDESZ does) made a fool out of him though.

she replied that she has israeli and "pirezian" citizenships ("pirezian" is a nationality a 2006 poll invented to check for Hungarian xenophobia. Turned out the majority of Hungarians don't like them and don't want them in the country), and that she bought her Hungarian citizenship for cash days before the election.

Needless to say she was sarcastic, but the Jobbik dude immediately published an "OMG JEW IN THE PARLAIMENT!!!!" warning.

Then of course the chick posted on her Facebook how stupid the Jobbik dude was.

Did he let it go after that? Nope! He said that "I was aware of the prank, but it is an entirely possible scenario that somebody from LMP is jewish, since the Hungarian Parliament have more jews in it than Likud"

end of 2012, Hungary

[Ed Anger]

I love this thread so much.

[Tamas]

I love this thread so much.

Well then, the office of the Prime Minister is working on creating a fund in the States, called "Friends of Hungary".

So if you will be feeling like sponsoring the buildup of dictatorship in Hungary, you will be able to finance it directly!

[The Brain]

I don't know how to elaborate much more on the Hungary sucks theme.

[Razgovory]

I love this thread so much.

I kinda feel sorry for Tamas.  What a screwy country.  Poor guy has got to immigrate.

[Razgovory]

I don't know how to elaborate much more on the Hungary sucks theme.

Well, Hungary looks better when it stand next to Serbia and Romania.

[Ed Anger]

I love this thread so much.

Well then, the office of the Prime Minister is working on creating a fund in the States, called "Friends of Hungary".

So if you will be feeling like sponsoring the buildup of dictatorship in Hungary, you will be able to finance it directly!

I have a reliable beet supply already.

[Tamas]

An other stuff these FIDESZ guys did, was giving more or less full control over state-sponsored culture (the way this country works, most of culture) to a particular organization (Hungarian Arts Academy or something). They have been faithful supporters of Orban over the years, and now their dominance is layed down even in the new constitution (yeah, ridicoulous).

I saw a short interview with their leader. Quite the presbiteran fellow.
Key points of his view on the future of culture here (as far as state institutions like museums, and state funding is concerned):
-no lack of respect for the nation
-no criticism of christianity
-on the question about "shouldn't church and state be separated" he replied: "why should it be? I am reformed, I am a presbiteran, this is how I want it to be"
-on the comment saying "well, in modern democracies..." he replied: "I don't give a damn about democracy. That democracy is not modern, and not democractic".

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I love this thread so much.

Well then, the office of the Prime Minister is working on creating a fund in the States, called "Friends of Hungary".

So if you will be feeling like sponsoring the buildup of dictatorship in Hungary, you will be able to finance it directly!

I have a reliable beet supply already.

they could have kickstarter-like tiers:

5 beets: get your own gypsy
10 beets: get a jobbik outfit with afro
etc...

[garbon]

I love this thread so much.

I kinda feel sorry for Tamas.  What a screwy country.  Poor guy has got to immigrate.

I think you mean emigrate.

[Tamas]

To not only write negatives: remember that Jobbik MP asking for a list of Jewish MPs? It ended up generating a quite large demonstration today, against it of course.

The 3 lead speakers were Bajnai (crisis-handling Socialist PM for a year, now leader of the rapidly rising opposition organization), Mesterhazy (prez of the Socialists), and Rogan, a prominent member of FIDESZ. All made speeches avoiding party politics, except for the Socialist guy.

So yeah of course, Orban is not taking a stand against nazism, since a large number of his voters ARE nazis to a degree, but still having FIDESZ and their opposition on the same stand making pro-freedom and anti-nazi speeches is quite unique.

[Tamas]

I think it is (probably remote) possibility, that Orban has started the "decomissioning" of Jobbik.

The "make a list of Jews" speech occured with perfect timing for Fidesz as I mentioned, as public discourse should be about the fact that we don't really have fully democratic elections anymore. But no, discussion is about (the clearly present) anti-semitism.
So I am having a hard time believing that the timing was coincidental - I think Jobbik, or just the MP, was bribed to do it at that day.

But now with Rogan's participation at yesterday's anti-Jobbik rally, FIDESZ backstabbed that deal I guess.

With a little more than a year until the elections, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first move in a long term operation to weaken, discredit, then destroy Jobbik, throwing them away as now being useless.

And that's because this would be far from being the first time. Orban's only genius is in manipulating people, and scheming.
The farmer's party was always one of the strongests in the 90s. They became the smaller half of a coalition with FIDESZ in 98.
Altough their crew was dumb and corrupt, it was still impressive, how totally they were teared apart slowly. When the dust of the next election settled, they were literally gone.
And the first governing party of post-commie times, MDF. They first were eaten by FIDESZ, then a female leader of them (Ibolya David), tried to regain independence. She let go the FIDESZ-serving senior members, she adopted a classi conservative stance, and made a noteworthy success by gaining an EU Parliament seat.
Which triggered Orban's campaign I think. Drug problems of her son leaked, phone tapping of the party (from which, by a trick I can't recally, David got out worse because she made the fact public or something like that), a clearly FIDESZ-sponsored young pretender within the party...
Long story short, Orban is an expert in destroying parties on the right side of the spectrum, and I wonder if a plan has been set into motion against Jobbik.

[Tamas]

 

That asshole main culture guy I wrote about?


In that interview he not only outlined how much of a patriot christian he is, he also very vehemently refused the comparison to the most determined cultural minister of the post-56 era.

Turns out, he finished the university in 56. In 1957, when there were executions, retributions, and only the most loyal and servile communists go get into positions with ANY kind of relevance, he catapulted from a fresh graduate to a senior position (lead designer or something like that) in the General Architecture Corporate (state owned organization dealing with architectury stuff)

[Tamas]

I just don't get this government.
Really, there are only 3 possible explanations which could encompass the different idiocies they have been doing:
-they are in fact a really smart gang, with NOTHING on their agenda but robbing the budget blind before the people will have enough of them and they need to flee to South America
-they are just totally incapable of performing their job, this coupled with Orban's pathologic fear of not being re-elected, pushing them from one haphazard disaster to an other
-some kind of combination of these two

I mean, they spent years after years attacking any cuts of state spending on higher education, namely the number of "free" spaces.
And now they decrease them to a low not seen since before WW2.

Is it a problem on it's own? Not for me. They do offer 50-50 state-student deal for a lot of places, plus state-subsidized student loans.

But, while they do this, they spend bigger money than they save here, on football teams and stadiums. And other idiocy, like 4 billion forints on that Friends of Hungary bullshit. I bet that money alone could finance a much milder cutback on education.

edit: and also, they announced yesterday that they would make gas and electricity prices decrease 10%. The fuck is this shit

[Tamas]

A (so far not huge) group of uni students are on a semi-improvised demonstration. They blockaded a bridge on the Danube for a while, now marching through Budapest