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Started by Tamas, March 09, 2011, 01:25:14 PM
Quote from: HVC on March 17, 2023, 01:16:52 PMIs NATO like the EU and lakes a means of expulsion? more alliances and treaties need expulsion pathways, even if only to use the threat as a stick.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 17, 2023, 01:24:53 PMThe purpose of NATO is mutual defence - an attack on one member is an attack on all. I worry that even a narrow, tightly drafted expulsion mechanism could be perceived as undermining that.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2023, 05:18:03 PMWell sure, getting kicked out undermines their membership rights.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 18, 2023, 05:24:32 PMYeah - but my thought is if there's an expulsion mechanism doesn't it change the calculation for an enemy too?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2023, 05:30:08 PMElaborez s'il vous plait.
Quote from: HVC on March 18, 2023, 06:28:30 PMCouldn't you just just add the clause no expulsion once article 5 is triggered?*edit* In the hypothetical timetine I mean
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2023, 06:36:27 PMYou're one devious fuck Shelf. I hadn't even considered that.But it would still take a majority, or more likely a supermajority to expel a country. I don't think that would weigh very heavily on a potential invader's mind.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 18, 2023, 06:39:30 PMAnd frankly even with Hungary, I think there's a bit of a concept creep about what NATO's for. It's not about advancing our values, or democracy - it's a mutual defence pact. Even with its awful government is there any real belief that in the event of an attack on Hungary - an EU member state - we wouldn't all have to intervene anyway? It's why the typical order is NATO membership first, then EU membership. What's the point of kicking them out?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2023, 07:04:13 PMTo stop them from barring future members. So they don't sell tech to the bad guys.
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