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[Queequeg]

Poland was overrun, certainly, but there was never anything close to real collaborationist government and the partisan movement was pretty widespread.  Also, the Yugoslavs pretty much have the unique and heroic claim of having largely self-liberated.

[Ideologue]

You know who resisted the Germans?  America.  You gutless commie.

[crazy canuck]

You know who resisted the Germans?  America.  You gutless commie.

Yep, just would have been better if the US had started resisting when Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc etc etc did.

[Ideologue]

It's not our fault.  Our government type gave us massive dissent penalties for any unilateral DOW.

[Caliga]

A lot of AmeriKKKans liked Hitler.

[Ideologue]

Anyway, the same criticism could be leveled at the Soviets, and then some.

I wouldn't really though.  QQ knows I kid.  The USSR needed time and space, thanks to the explicit hostility of Poland, the UK, and France to the overtures Stalin and Molotov made toward their respective governments, knowing damned well the Union needed to brace itself against the Nazis.

[Valmy]

Poland was overrun, certainly, but there was never anything close to real collaborationist government and the partisan movement was pretty widespread.  Also, the Yugoslavs pretty much have the unique and heroic claim of having largely self-liberated.

The Germans did not really give them much reason to collaborate.  Further complicating this was that the Polish brand of fascism was also already in charge at the time so they did not view the Germans as potential buddies like the ones in other countries. 

The Yugoslavs rose up when the Comintern told them to.  It is the same shit as everywhere else, suddenly after their own country had been easily overrun did the Commies suddenly decide around July 1941 or so that maybe the Germans were not brother workers after all. 

[Valmy]

I wouldn't really though.  QQ knows I kid.  The USSR needed time and space, thanks to the explicit hostility of Poland, the UK, and France to the overtures Stalin and Molotov made toward their respective governments, knowing damned well the Union needed to brace itself against the Nazis.

So they took a bunch of indefensible territory that only succeeded in getting huge armies surrounded and destroyed?  They decided to invade a bunch of countries and get thousands of their men killed?  They decided to allow Germany to gain immense strength by giving them carte blanche to conquer Europe and build up a large number of client states?  I guess when I think about preparing for war I think about strengthening my armies and defenses not fatally weakening them and opposing my enemy not working hard to make them stronger.  but I clearly am not up on Commie strategy.

[Ideologue]

Look, hindsight is 20/20.

[Josephus]

It's not our fault.  Our government type gave us massive dissent penalties for any unilateral DOW.

Stab hit alone would have killed you.

[Razgovory]

I wouldn't really though.  QQ knows I kid.  The USSR needed time and space, thanks to the explicit hostility of Poland, the UK, and France to the overtures Stalin and Molotov made toward their respective governments, knowing damned well the Union needed to brace itself against the Nazis.

So they took a bunch of indefensible territory that only succeeded in getting huge armies surrounded and destroyed?  They decided to invade a bunch of countries and get thousands of their men killed?  They decided to allow Germany to gain immense strength by giving them carte blanche to conquer Europe and build up a large number of client states?  I guess when I think about preparing for war I think about strengthening my armies and defenses not fatally weakening them and opposing my enemy not working hard to make them stronger.  but I clearly am not up on Commie strategy.

Commie strategy was to let the West and Germany repeat WWI and then march into to help the communist revolts that would break out in those countries.  It wasn't a terrible strategy, it just had the disadvantage of not working.

[Beenherebefore]

The Yugoslavs rose up when the Comintern told them to.  It is the same shit as everywhere else, suddenly after their own country had been easily overrun did the Commies suddenly decide around July 1941 or so that maybe the Germans were not brother workers after all.

I'm fairly certain that the royalist Chetniks fought from day one. Tito's partisans, the Chetniks and the Ustashe spent quite a lot of time fighting each other as well. Not that I am mistaking the Ustashe for anything but collaborators, and the ones that made even the Germans squirm at their actions.

Like Psellus says, Yugoslavia basically threw off occupation themselves and at a horrible cost of life and material. When the OSS and the British finally realised Tito was the one who could get the people's support, they ditched the old Chetniks and the fortunes of war turned for Tito's partisans.

[Queequeg]

TBH I kind of think of Yugos as European Afghans.  They have a way of making life hell for anyone occupying them.  They actually did pretty well up against a pre-moribund Ottoman Empire with Karajorje, too. 

[Beenherebefore]

TBH I kind of think of Yugos as European Afghans.  They have a way of making life hell for anyone occupying them.  They actually did pretty well up against a pre-moribund Ottoman Empire with Karajorje, too.

Visited Croatia last summer. It looked like hellish terrain, and with a summer that wasn't just hot, it was simply too warm to do anything than go for swim after swim until late at night.
Steep mountains and hills everywhere. I climbed a couple of the nearby ones, and I suppose I should be thankful I didn't have a heart attack.

[Jacob]

Look, hindsight is 20/20.

Especially in 6 years.