Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Iormlund]

Yeah.... It's totally the Palestinians who are the genocidal ones here...

Going door to door slaughtering and abducting people, regardless of their age or combatant status seems pretty genocidal to me.
And an overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of the Oct 7 attacks (85% or so IIRC).

[Josquius]

Yeah.... It's totally the Palestinians who are the genocidal ones here...

Going door to door slaughtering and abducting people, regardless of their age or combatant status seems pretty genocidal to me.
And an overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of the Oct 7 attacks (85% or so IIRC).

You try having your town bombed to hell every night and your kids starved to death and see how readily you agree with shit being thrown the other way.

But I see the point completely eluded you here.
Denying the Palestinian people even exist and insisting the very word is a slur is pretty damn far beyond the pale.

[Iormlund]

Yeah.... It's totally the Palestinians who are the genocidal ones here...

Going door to door slaughtering and abducting people, regardless of their age or combatant status seems pretty genocidal to me.
And an overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of the Oct 7 attacks (85% or so IIRC).

You try having your town bombed to hell every night and your kids starved to death and see how readily you agree with shit being thrown the other way.

You said they are not genocidal. I pointed out that's demonstrably untrue. We have seen what they do when they are let loose and they themselves have repeatedly put forward their support for those actions.

Part of the problem is we (as in the West) are constantly robbing Palestinians of their agency. They can and have chosen repeatedly to continue the war of 1948 rather than move on. And we need to acknowledge that.

But I see the point completely eluded you here.
Denying the Palestinian people even exist and insisting the very word is a slur is pretty damn far beyond the pale.

I'm not particularly interested in what Otto said, which is why I cropped that quote.

[grumbler]

Arguing that it is only the Palestinians who "have chosen repeatedly to continue the war of 1948 rather than move on" robs Israelis of their agency.  Israeli has never stopped taking Palestinian land and has never compensated the Palestinians from whom they stole it.  That does not excuse Oct 7 nor the support Palestinians show for that gruesome act, but it does help explain it and helps us understand such support.  The Palestinians are frustrated beyond all of our comprehension of frustration, I think.

[Josquius]

Yeah.... It's totally the Palestinians who are the genocidal ones here...

Going door to door slaughtering and abducting people, regardless of their age or combatant status seems pretty genocidal to me.
And an overwhelming majority of Palestinians approve of the Oct 7 attacks (85% or so IIRC).

You try having your town bombed to hell every night and your kids starved to death and see how readily you agree with shit being thrown the other way.

You said they are not genocidal. I pointed out that's demonstrably untrue. We have seen what they do when they are let loose and they themselves have repeatedly put forward their support for those actions.

Part of the problem is we (as in the West) are constantly robbing Palestinians of their agency. They can and have chosen repeatedly to continue the war of 1948 rather than move on. And we need to acknowledge that.

But I see the point completely eluded you here.
Denying the Palestinian people even exist and insisting the very word is a slur is pretty damn far beyond the pale.

I'm not particularly interested in what Otto said, which is why I cropped that quote.

Yet my post means nothing without it. It is as a direct reply. Claiming a people are genocidal when he has the view not only shoukd they be wiped out but they don't even exist.