BELIEVE: Dems propose national biometric ID card

[grumbler]

Is the American proposal that you should be forced to carry the card at all times?

Edit: and is the American proposal that it should be mandatory to own an ID card?

Yes, and yes, effectively.  The goal is to make employment of illegals very difficult, and that means that legal workers will have to carry their cards at work so that they can be checked during ICE sweeps.  I don't think you would have to carry it outside of work, but why wouldn't you?

And, obviously, if the system isn't mandatory, then the purpose of it (to isolate illegals as the only ones without the ID) is lost.

[DGuller]

The thing is, he doesn't need to try so hard.  He's very naturally gifted, so there is no need for him to force it in such a ridiculous manner.

Oh, noes!  I am being double-teamed by the two most credible and intellectually honest posters on the board! 

If Hans will jump in here and join them, we will have the trifecta! 

I'm not sure why you're trying to start a flame war out of nothing, but in any case, I'll stake my credibility and honesty against yours any day of the week.

[garbon]

I'll stake my credibility and honesty against yours any day of the week.

That's stupid.

[DGuller]

I'll stake my credibility and honesty against yours any day of the week.

That's stupid.

Why?  You actually find grumbler more credible and honest?

[garbon]

Why?  You actually find grumbler more credible and honest?

Without a doubt.

[DGuller]

Why?  You actually find grumbler more credible and honest?

Without a doubt.

Ok.

[garbon]

I think you are the wacko if you think most would think otherwise.

[Jaron]

grumbler's credibility is indeed suspect since his breakdown. 

[Admiral Yi]

I'm not sure why you're trying to start a flame war out of nothing, but in any case, I'll stake my credibility and honesty against yours any day of the week.

Please.  I generally think you're a standup guy but in this case there was absolutely no doubt who tried to start some shit.

[Ed Anger]

hilarious

[DGuller]

I'm not sure why you're trying to start a flame war out of nothing, but in any case, I'll stake my credibility and honesty against yours any day of the week.

Please.  I generally think you're a standup guy but in this case there was absolutely no doubt who tried to start some shit.

Really?  Was I the one who intentionally misread the post in the most unconvincing way possible, in order to call someone an idiot?  Or was my post implying that there is dearth of rational arguments against national ID the act of stirring up shit?

[garbon]

hilarious

Is HVC here?

[The Brain]

Isn't this what Obama wants us to do? Fight among ourselves?

[Agelastus]

Driving licenses have never been a problem because it is your choice whether you learn to drive or not.

In practice, everyone needs to have a good piece of ID, or your life would be very difficult in many circumstances.  Those who don't have a driver's license can get a non-driver's ID that looks a lot like the driver's license, and it's a good idea to get it.

[Also reply to Tyr]

I have neither a driving license or a passport, and have never had a problem or been inconvenienced.

Nor did I ever have an age ID card (and they were around, just, when I could have needed one) and I would never have needed one, assuming my memories are accurate. Admittedly, given the paranoia around "under-age" products these days, that may possibly no longer be true...but only possibly.

[ulmont]

A national ID card wouldn't bother me too much.

1) I need my driver's license to vote, drive, fly, buy beer, etc.
2) I also need a birth certificate or passport for any new job.
3) I tend to be no more worried about the federal govt. than the Georgia govt.  I know the latter is totally insane already.