Obama to allow drilling off of Virginia's Coast

Started by jimmy olsen, March 31, 2010, 12:21:20 AM

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Lettow77

 Congradulations to beautiful Virginia. I wonder how many carpetbaggers this industry will bring down?
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

Faeelin

I question his decision to not extend it to the Pacific Coast and Alaska. If this is so great as he claims, why doesn't he agree with the House Minority Leader and allow drilling there as well?

Fate

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Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
I question his decision to not extend it to the Pacific Coast and Alaska. If this is so great as he claims, why doesn't he agree with the House Minority Leader and allow drilling there as well?

I assume Virginia wants it and many left leaning states on the Pacific Coast don't want it. I don't know what's happening in the Alaskan case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to some sort of national park.

KRonn

Good, finally. We rely on oil and gas so heavily, and will likely rely on those for years to come even with new green tech. It makes sense to drill; makes no sense to not drill and continue importing, especially when N. America has such huge reserves of natural gas.

However, I really don't expect much to happen as this will be opposed by enviros and who ever else, for years, likely until the idea of drilling collapses. Heck, we can't even get wind turbines off the coast of Massachusetts!! I'd love some oil drills off the MA coast, to bring in some state revenue. And I think that financial incentive may give some of the states included in this new drilling proposal reasons to support it. Mass isn't in the proposal; after all, we have our not yet ready for prime time wind farm.... not yet.  ;)

Faeelin

Quote from: Fate on March 31, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
I question his decision to not extend it to the Pacific Coast and Alaska. If this is so great as he claims, why doesn't he agree with the House Minority Leader and allow drilling there as well?

I assume Virginia wants it and many left leaning states on the Pacific Coast don't want it. I don't know what's happening in the Alaskan case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to some sort of national park.

Right, but it just seems incredibly political. If you really think this is a guy idea and ownt' harm the environment, you should suport drilling everywhere.

grumbler

Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Right, but it just seems incredibly political. If you really think this is a guy idea and ownt' harm the environment, you should suport drilling everywhere.
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.
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Faeelin

Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.

I agree with you, but am skeptical that Obama decided not to promote exploration in the Pacific coast and northeast because of geologic factors.

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.

I agree with you, but am skeptical that Obama decided not to promote exploration in the Pacific coast and northeast because of geologic factors.

Public support is a legit factor as well.
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The Brain

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 31, 2010, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.

I agree with you, but am skeptical that Obama decided not to promote exploration in the Pacific coast and northeast because of geologic factors.

Public support is a legit factor as well.

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AnchorClanker

Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
I question his decision to not extend it to the Pacific Coast and Alaska. If this is so great as he claims, why doesn't he agree with the House Minority Leader and allow drilling there as well?

I wouldn't invest in that when we've been expecting a MAJOR earthquake off the OR/WA coast...
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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Right, but it just seems incredibly political. If you really think this is a guy idea and ownt' harm the environment, you should suport drilling everywhere.
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.

Exactly.
In this case, drilling doesn't really make sense offshore in Virginia because the amount of oil estimated is so small as to have no meaningful impact.  This looks like a pretty transparent effort to sooth the enraged GOP 1st graders who walked off with all their marbles when health care passed.
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KRonn

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 01, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on March 31, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Right, but it just seems incredibly political. If you really think this is a guy idea and ownt' harm the environment, you should suport drilling everywhere.
No, you shouldn't, unless you are unable to think about ideas that don't fit on bumper stickers.

Drilling make sense in some places and not others, depending on the specifics of each proposal.  Blindly insisting that someone must be all-or-nothing on drilling is absurd.

Exactly.
In this case, drilling doesn't really make sense offshore in Virginia because the amount of oil estimated is so small as to have no meaningful impact.  This looks like a pretty transparent effort to sooth the enraged GOP 1st graders who walked off with all their marbles when health care passed.
Some in the GOP are already crying foul over where this drilling is being proposed, the limited locations, and the politics of it.

Fate

The poor GOP. Politics in off shore drilling? How'd on earth did that ever happen.  :lmfao:

Admiral Yi

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 01, 2010, 09:46:20 AM
This looks like a pretty transparent effort to sooth the enraged GOP 1st graders who walked off with all their marbles when health care passed.
Or to buy a couple votes for Virgina Yellow Dogs in the upcoming election.