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Started by jimmy olsen, March 08, 2010, 07:55:36 PM

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Razgovory

#60
March 09, 2010, 05:30:51 PM
I live in a house made of ass.   :cool:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

#61
March 09, 2010, 05:32:39 PM
Ass and you shall receive.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Jaron

#62
March 09, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
I put the ass in massa.

Winner of THE grumbler point.

grumbler

#63
March 09, 2010, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jaron on March 09, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
This isn't grumblers day :lol:
Actually, I think I am doing well (Jake and I are just good-naturedly busting each others chops, I will confess - he couldn't troll if he tried).  Malthus is just being contrary.  He will investigate and discover that Tolkien was not using "English" as a substitute for "British."

Tolkien's English nationalism and rejection of "Britishism" (to coin a word) is a matter of historical fact, as anyone examining the case could see, so it doesn't bother me that people line up to say it ain't so.

QuoteStill, when you build your house of glass and chuck stones from the balcony you have to expect a few back sometime.
Haven't seen any come back, other than "I don't care about what Tolkien was like as a man," and that response doesn't bother me either.  People do care, they just won't admit it in the heat of a debate.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

garbon

#64
March 09, 2010, 05:52:19 PM
Heat? :tinfoil:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

grumbler

#65
March 09, 2010, 07:10:46 PM
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Siege

#66
March 11, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
Tolkien was kind of racist.

All the non-whites in Middle Earth worked for Mordor.



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Alatriste

#67
March 12, 2010, 02:24:02 AM
Quote from: Siege on March 11, 2010, 03:44:03 PM
Tolkien was kind of racist.

All the non-whites in Middle Earth worked for Mordor.

I don't think so. IIRC Frodo and Sam actually chat about the legendary men of black skin that live far in the South, where Sauron's power hasn't reached. Dwarfs are Semites, which would make them the racial equivalent of Middle Easterners, Arabs, Phoenicians or Jews, Woses aren't white either... on the other hand many white peoples served Morgoth and Sauron, starting with the Numenoreans themselves.

In fact the "good" Men of Rohan, blond, fair skinned, are depicted on occasions as quite a bit barbarian. They, for example, hunted Woses for sport... Rohirrim are depicted in more than one way as the equivalent of the Goths, half civilized Nomads accepted into their lands by the dark haired 'Romans' of Gondor in exchange for military assistance.

Regarding that Rome-Gondor equivalence, sometimes I have thought that, if Tolkien had a main historical reference for his work (which is unlikely, but whatever) it has to be Attila's Empire, his invasion of Europe and the battle of Châlons.

The Brain

#68
March 12, 2010, 03:45:14 AM
Tolkien was as racist as only a South African can be.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.
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