I have ordered a new desk top!

[Caliga]

Also, as far as size, I think you guys with the ATX hard-ons need to take a step back and mess with ISA slots in 386es and then tell me about cramped.  It's all what you're used to.

Given the fact that the DIY market is dominated by ATX builds, this comment strikes me as a little strange.  I dunno if the prebuilt market is dominated by ATX builds anymore.

Unless things have changed, my understanding is that most premium motherboards don't have a non-ATX option.

[Grey Fox]

Also, it's not 1998 anymore.

[derspiess]

I don't understand the uATX fanboyism.  I have worked on hundreds of computers, and have never seen a uATX rig that was easier to work on than an ATX equivelent.  The fact that the worse ATX rig is worse than the best uATX rig says nothing whatever about averages.  I think common sense should tell everyone that having more space for airflow will make the average ATX system cooler than the equivalent uATX system in the same case, so I don't think fanboyism is going to change anyone's mind, but it puzzles me.

I think there are situations where ATX is preferable & others where micro-ATX is preferable.  I have to say I'm kind of leaning towards micro-ATX for my next build.  I don't make use of the 'extra' slots on my current system, and a micro-ATX machine would fit much better in my office.

[grumbler]

I think there are situations where ATX is preferable & others where micro-ATX is preferable.  I have to say I'm kind of leaning towards micro-ATX for my next build.  I don't make use of the 'extra' slots on my current system, and a micro-ATX machine would fit much better in my office.

That's a valid reason to go micro - because you want a case that won't fit a full ATX.

Getting a uATX when one could have a full ATX in the same case seems daft to me.

[derspiess]

Getting a uATX when one could have a full ATX in the same case seems daft to me.

Okay, definitely agree with that.  Unless you're re-using a component and/or find too good deal on something, I see no reason for it.

[DontSayBanana]

OK; I'm not advocating DIY uATX, except in cases where you have really tiny space to work with, like my midget of an apartment.

Also, Grumbler, once again, airflow is not the same across the board; it varies from case manufacturer to case manufacturer- if you shell out on a top-shelf CM case, then yes, you'll get good airflow, but I've seen substantial heat damage from crappily-designed no-name ATX cases that didn't take airflow into account for any other than a handful of mobos.

I also agree completely that putting uATX in a full ATX case would be ridiculous; space is not an issue then, and cost savings are likely to be negated by the custom mobo risers you'd have to install.