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[jimmy olsen]

Hell Yes it has!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342735-has-the-tom-brady-peyton-manning-debate-come-to-a-end

Has the Tom Brady-Peyton Manning Debate Come to an End?

by Adam Heasley

Correspondent Written on February 09, 2010

It has now been two days since Superbowl XLIV. Two story lines havedeveloped from the Superbowl, with both of them regarding each team's quarterback. Saints QB Drew Brees will no longer be over looked, as the Super Bowl MVP will now be put up there with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as one of the top quarterbacks in the league today.

Now, with the other storyline, well let's just say it's not a positive one for Colt fans. Late in the fourth quarter, QB Peyton Manning threw a pass that, in my opinion, epitomizes his playoff career.

For those of you who did not watch the most watched Super Bowl of all-time on Sunday, Manning threw a costly interception that was returned for a touchdown that virtually sealed the game for the underdog New Orleans Saints, who went on to win their first Super Bowl in franchise history.

For now, let's take a breath from the Superbowl and spend it on the debate that has taken the NFL by storm over the last three years. Who's better? Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? Has this Superbowl ended the debate with authority?

Well let's look at the facts. Tom Brady is 32-years old and will be 33 in August, while Peyton Manning is about to turn 34 in March. Brady has spent 10 years in the NFL, while Manning has spent 12 years in tthe league.

Now with all that in mind, let's look at career stats. Brady's Regular season record is 111-27. Manning's record is better at 131-71. Now, if we look at the winning percentage of each quarterback's record, Brady's winning percentage is at 80.4%, while Manning's win percentage is only 64.85%.

If you do not agree, do the math yourself. But, the simple truth is that 80.4% is a lot higher winning percentage than 64.85. While Brady does not have as many wins as Manning, he has won games at a much higher rate than Manning has.

Now, let's next look at the record that really matters in my opinon: Playoff record. Brady has a 14-4 career record in the postseason, while Manning is only 9-9. I do not know about you, but to me a .500 winning percentage is not very impressive, espeicially when you consider the fact that Manning's Colts have had the best record in the regular season three out of the last four years.

Now, how come Manning hasn't been to more Superbowl's and won more? You can't say Brady has had better teams, because the Colts regular season success would kill that argument in my opinion.

Now, let's look at each Quarterback's record breaking seasons. Does anyone remember Manning breaking Dan Marino's single season touchdown record? Yeah?

Well, in case you forgot, that record is now held by Tom Brady.

People can argue that Brady had an awesome receiving core that season (e.g. Moss, Welker, Stallworth and Gaffney), which is something that I agree with as well. But, that receiving core was only intact for one season, as both Daunte Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney left via free agency over the next two seasons.

Peyton Manning has had great receivers his whole career, with the likes of Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokley and now Pierre Garcon catching Manning's passes over the years.

With that said, Brady has won three Superbowl's while throwing to the likes of David Patten, David Givens, Troy Brown and Deion Branch, which many would consider as an average receiving core.

At the end of the day, Tom Brady, to date, has won three Super Bowls and gone to a fourth, while Peyton Manning has only gone 1-1 in the Super Bowl. Additonally, Brady has won those games with less talented teams then Manning's Colts.

And I have one last thing that truly sets them apart. Tom Brady doesn't miss an easy read, to throw a pick six to lose a the Super Bowl. He never has and probaly never will, in my opinion.

While I'm just saying, it's hard to ignore the numbers...they never lie.

[Neil]

The debate has been over for years.  Manning is in contention for the greatest of all time.  Brady is just a system quarterback on a team that cheated.

[katmai]

I saw an article today touting Rothlisberger as better than Manning*




They mentioned comparing just Playoff production for the claim.

[Sophie Scholl]

Yeah, I just read that garbage.  Anything to get people to read a column, eh Jason Cole?  The Yahoo! NFL writers are fucking terrible.  MJD, Jason Cole, Charles Robinson, et al.  Ugh.  It's like the island of misfit sports writers there.

[MadBurgerMaker]

The debate has been over for years.  Manning is in contention for the greatest of all time.

  Shit, was there ever even a debate at all?  Manning is clearly the superior quarterback.

[jimmy olsen]

The debate has been over for years.  Manning is in contention for the greatest of all time.

  Shit, was there ever even a debate at all?  Manning is clearly the superior quarterback.

What planet do you guys live on? I'd take Brady or Montana over Manning any day of the week.

[MadBurgerMaker]

What planet do you guys live on? I'd take Brady or Montana over Manning any day of the week.

That's because you're allowing your bias to cloud your judgment.  At least learn to acknowledge blatantly obvious greatness even when you fucking hate the guy and his enormous face.

Peyton Manning is the Indianapolis Colts.  There's nothing else, when it really comes down to it.  Without him, even with all the other dudes being the same, they're lucky to win 7 or 8 games, and wouldn't sniff the playoffs in the AFC South.  The Patriots plugged in that scrub Matt Cassel and won..what..11?   

And for fucks sake, why is all this Brady stupidity popping up now?  That loser couldn't get out of the first round (it was all supposedly because Welker's knee couldn't handle the grass in Houston, but then again, GOAT QB's should be able to get over the loss of a slot WR, right?).  He also lost a Superbowl to Peyton's retarded little brother.

[jimmy olsen]

Brady won 3 superbowls with receivers who were chumps compared to what Peyton had. In the years Brady won the Superbowl, Peyton had better offensive players around him, Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James. So no, you're the one not looking at things objectively. Brady, Montana, Elway, they would have all won more Superbowls with that offense than Peyton has.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Brady won 3 superbowls with receivers who were chumps compared to what Peyton had. In the years Brady won the Superbowl, Peyton had better offensive players around him, Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James. So no, you're the one not looking at things objectively. Brady, Montana, Elway, they would have all won more Superbowls with that offense than Peyton has.

Don't be a moron.  They wouldn't have, because it wouldn't be that offense without Peyton Manning.

Have you ever actually even seen the Colts play?  What, exactly, do you think their OC does?

Edit: By "OC" I mean the guy with the actual title, not Manning.

[jimmy olsen]

Brady won 3 superbowls with receivers who were chumps compared to what Peyton had. In the years Brady won the Superbowl, Peyton had better offensive players around him, Harrison, Wayne, Clark and James. So no, you're the one not looking at things objectively. Brady, Montana, Elway, they would have all won more Superbowls with that offense than Peyton has.

Don't be a moron.  They wouldn't have, because it wouldn't be that offense without Peyton Manning.

Have you ever actually even seen the Colts play?  What, exactly, do you think their OC does?

Any hall of fame quarterback could rack up his numbers with those players. Jim Kelly or Dan Marino would have done just as well, and like Peyton been choking dogs in the playoffs.

Of course I've seen them play, they're on the TV all the damn time. I'm sure their OC does what every OC does, call the plays.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Any hall of fame quarterback could rack up his numbers with those players. Jim Kelly or Dan Marino would have done just as well, and like Peyton been choking dogs in the playoffs.

Of course I've seen them play, they're on the TV all the damn time. I'm sure their OC does what every OC does, call the plays.

The Colts OC's job is basically to run ideas by Peyton Manning.  This is a guy who has been in the business for something like 40 years.  He essentially submits several plays, then Manning goes out there and does what he needs to do.  In between offensive series, he'll bring the shots over to Manning so he can eyeball them.

You must not have been paying attention when you watched them. 

The whole offense goes through that guy.  It's not like the Texans or Patriots or really any other current team where the coach or OC submits plays and the QB will generally run it unless an audible is obviously required (or sometimes not even then).  It's also a major reason why they look so ordinary when Sorgi is in there.   Painter is worse than just nobody playing and the center snapping it to empty space.  Sorgi isn't that bad.  He can manage a game, he just can't do what Manning does that makes the Clods offense so outstanding.

Playoff choking or whatever else you're trying to talk about doesn't matter, and is probably wrong anyway, since they didn't put up those numbers.  No one has.  It also doesn't matter how many times you try to tell yourself differently, or how many times some guy just like you tries to tell himself differently via an internet article, or whatever:  Peyton "Fetusface" Manning is possibly the greatest quarterback of all time. 

[Neil]

Let's end this discussion:  Manning played in the Superbowl this year.  Brady was crushed in the first round.

[katmai]

Yet Brady has three rings, Manning only one.


And fuck you all for making me side with Timmay on anything.

[MadBurgerMaker]

And fuck you all for making me side with Timmay on anything.

It's not our fault you choose to be wrong.   

[katmai]

Yet Brady has three rings, Manning only one.

David Carr has more rings than Matt Schaub.

And fuck you all for making me side with Timmay on anything.

It's not our fault you choose to be wrong.   

I didn't take you to be that much of a putz, but i stand corrected.