Star Wars vs Star Trek - the ultimate nerd battle

[Barrister]

Star Wars is already fairly dark and gritty.

Or is as gritty as you're going to get in a movie partially aimed at kids.

Ewoks aside of course.

[Viking]

Are you kidding?  They can't remake Star Wars.  That would be an attrocity so great that the new trilogy would pale in comparison.

It would work if they made Han a woman.

That sound was my childhood being raped.

I thought he was supposed to be a 12 foot tall green slug with gills.

[The Brain]

Or is as gritty as you're going to get in a movie partially aimed at kids.

How was it aimed at adults?

[Duque de Bragança]

HBO was a favorite for me too when I was playing hooky from school. MY STOMACH HURTS.


Yor, the Hunter from the Future. Be there or be square.

Italo-Turkish co-productions FTW!

[Barrister]

Or is as gritty as you're going to get in a movie partially aimed at kids.

How was it aimed at adults?

I don't think I can answer that.

[Savonarola]

How was it aimed at adults?

I don't think I can answer that.

Princess Leia dressed in her slave outfit appeals to me much more today than it did when I was 10.

[Neil]

Don't be absurd - they just need to call Ron Moore for the remake - something dark and gritty. 

I guarantee that any director who would dare to do such a thing would be assassinated within a month of his accepting the job.

[grumbler]

Don't be absurd - they just need to call Ron Moore for the remake - something dark and gritty. 

I guarantee that any director who would dare to do such a thing would be assassinated within a month of his accepting the job.

Agreed.  It seems to me that SW is a very personal universe of its creator, and has the strengths and weaknesses of that fact - much like the B5 or Honor Harrington universes, where outside players seem to have flopped spectacularly. 

Moore seems like one of those people who could actually succeed, if he had the balls to do something creative and not derivative.  Trying to remake things that don't need to be remade seems a mugs game, as Battlestar Galactica proved.  That was actually an okay series (except for maybe the last season or so) that would have been maybe a great series had Moore not started with someone else's ideas and been limited unnecessarily thereby.

You could probably say the same thing about Lynch and Dune.

[Sheilbh]

You could probably say the same thing about Lynch and Dune.

I don't know.  I think Lynch's Dune is a wonderful failure precisely because of his creative vision which is distinct from the book (I prefer the film to the book).  The lack of creativity is part of what annoys me about these comic book adaptations.  Film-making and re-making should never be done by fanboys because you don't get a good film that can stand on its own as a film.  Based on his work so far I think Zack Snyder should be banned from being anywhere near a camera, for example.

[Barrister]

You could probably say the same thing about Lynch and Dune.

I don't know.  I think Lynch's Dune is a wonderful failure precisely because of his creative vision which is distinct from the book (I prefer the film to the book).  The lack of creativity is part of what annoys me about these comic book adaptations.  Film-making and re-making should never be done by fanboys because you don't get a good film that can stand on its own as a film.  Based on his work so far I think Zack Snyder should be banned from being anywhere near a camera, for example.

I don't know about preferring the movie, but I do love Lynch's Dune in it's own right.  It has a wonderful look to it.  I remember watching the Sci Fi miniseries and it was much more accurate to the book, but also much more flat.

[Admiral Yi]

If Lynch had only kept out those fucking scream guns.

[Sheilbh]

I don't know about preferring the movie, but I do love Lynch's Dune in it's own right.  It has a wonderful look to it.  I remember watching the Sci Fi miniseries and it was much more accurate to the book, but also much more flat.

I think I prefer the film because I had such low expectations and thought it was a wonderfully interesting failure and had a really interesting vision to it - like I love some Terry Gilliam films that just didn't work, alas.  By contrast I got told by everyone that the book was incredible and was underwhelmed - had I never heard anyone hype it I would have probably enjoyed it more.

[Josquius]

Dune the book was pretty ok, not best ever material but ok.
I tried to read the sequel though and it was horrid. Just endless talking about rubbish.
The game now. That was awesome. Its a shame they sold out and made Dune 2 so bleh.

I'd agree on the Dune film having a nice aesthetic. The Harkonen were pretty cool there. Also I'd agree on the series being rather dull; in keepign with the book I suppose but not so fun in its own right

[Barrister]

I think I prefer the film because I had such low expectations and thought it was a wonderfully interesting failure and had a really interesting vision to it - like I love some Terry Gilliam films that just didn't work, alas.  By contrast I got told by everyone that the book was incredible and was underwhelmed - had I never heard anyone hype it I would have probably enjoyed it more.

I could see that happening.  I think Dune also needs to be viewed through the time it was made - 60s sci fi was becoming rather interesting, but was still the era of, well, Star Trek.  The world presented by Dune was so detailed and alien from our own, which was quite unusual at the time.

[frunk]

Based on his work so far I think Zack Snyder should be banned from being anywhere near a camera, for example.

I think he's a fine cinematographer, terrible, terrible director.