Georgia destroys Soviet monument, offends Russia

[Valmy]

You would think getting a Georgian in supreme power in Russia where he could murder millions of Russians would have been enough revenge for the Georgians.

[Syt]

We have been having the same thing with removal of communist symbols and stuff like street name changes. However, there is imho a fine line between, say, changing the name of a street named after some communist government apparatchik, and one named after some pre-WW2 Polish communist activist who was killed by the nazis.

you'd be surprised how often I see Russian addresses in cities big and small like "Engels Street", "Street of the 50th Anniversary of the USSR", "Lenin Street", "Street of the Proletariat", hell, the St. Petersburg area is still the "Leningrad district". The "Marshal Timoshenko Street"s are rather inconspicuous by comparison.

[Razgovory]

Could be interesting. I think it would depend on what exactly the symbol represents or what the monument is specifically dedicated to.

But those two aren't always the same.  What a monument is dedicated to and what it represents to the people of that country can be very different things, which makes it difficult.

And now it has fallen down and squished two of those people of that country.

[Valmy]

They should put up a new monument dedicated to the memory of those who were squished by the old monument.

[Razgovory]

They should put up a new monument dedicated to the memory of those who were squished by the old monument.

And risk even more lives?  These people can't be trusted around monuments. 

[The Larch]

We have been having the same thing with removal of communist symbols and stuff like street name changes. However, there is imho a fine line between, say, changing the name of a street named after some communist government apparatchik, and one named after some pre-WW2 Polish communist activist who was killed by the nazis.

you'd be surprised how often I see Russian addresses in cities big and small like "Engels Street", "Street of the 50th Anniversary of the USSR", "Lenin Street", "Street of the Proletariat", hell, the St. Petersburg area is still the "Leningrad district". The "Marshal Timoshenko Street"s are rather inconspicuous by comparison.

Heh, that's like Spain 20-15 years ago, more or less.  Although you still get full blown francoist names in smaller villages. For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

[dps]

They should put up a new monument dedicated to the memory of those who were squished by the old monument.

And risk even more lives?  These people can't be trusted around monuments. 

Hey, anybody else gets killed, just put up a monument to them too.  Probably Georgia cound use the economic stimulus that a good round of monument building would provide.

[DGuller]

We have been having the same thing with removal of communist symbols and stuff like street name changes. However, there is imho a fine line between, say, changing the name of a street named after some communist government apparatchik, and one named after some pre-WW2 Polish communist activist who was killed by the nazis.

you'd be surprised how often I see Russian addresses in cities big and small like "Engels Street", "Street of the 50th Anniversary of the USSR", "Lenin Street", "Street of the Proletariat", hell, the St. Petersburg area is still the "Leningrad district". The "Marshal Timoshenko Street"s are rather inconspicuous by comparison.

I lived on "Science Street".  If it were in US, I'm sure it would've been promptly renamed during Bush's administration.

[Syt]

For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

When it should really be "Crossroads of the World".

[The Larch]

For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

When it should really be "Crossroads of the World".

No clue.  Most of those streets and squares got renamed to Constitution this or Juan Carlos I that after the current Constitution was approved.

[The Brain]

For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

When it should really be "Crossroads of the World".

[Syt]

For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

When it should really be "Crossroads of the World".

No clue.  Most of those streets and squares got renamed to Constitution this or Juan Carlos I that after the current Constitution was approved.

http://www.thecimmerian.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/06/map_zamora_corinthia.jpg

[The Larch]

For instance, in my mother's village, in rural Zamora, the main street is still "Calle de José Antonio (Primo de Rivera)".

When it should really be "Crossroads of the World".

No clue.  Most of those streets and squares got renamed to Constitution this or Juan Carlos I that after the current Constitution was approved.

http://www.thecimmerian.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/06/map_zamora_corinthia.jpg

Funnily enough, parts of the movie were shot nearby.  Young Conan and his mother, in the opening scene, were played by Spanish actors.

[Syt]

Funnily enough, parts of the movie were shot nearby.  Young Conan and his mother, in the opening scene, were played by Spanish actors.

[derspiess]

Worse than what Estonia did.  Estonia had the argument that they got zapped by Stalin during WWII, Georgia not so much.

Now if Georgia had blown up a monument to the Russian Civil War I would be more understanding.

A Soviet monument is a Soviet monument.  Every time one of these is destroyed, it's to the benefit of humanity as a whole.  So the Soviets were fighting the Nazis-- big whoop.  Doesn't mean former Soviet satellite states shouldn't have the right to erase scars of Soviet occupation.

It *would* be appropriate to put up a monument to the Georgians who served or lost theri lives in WWII (I guess that's what the salvaged naked horseman is for), but I don't see why Georgians need to give a flying fig about Russians, etc.