Obama to go hat in hand to the Russians to beg forgiveness.

Started by Berkut, March 31, 2009, 08:59:05 AM

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Jacob

#120
March 31, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:53:22 PMAnd now jacob follows along in the strawman constructing footsteps of those who came before him.

This is almost as good as JRs constructed comments from Gates.

I'd totally come around to your point of view if only you offered to press the reset button and admit things are partially your fault.

Alas, you're too much like Putin  :(

DontSayBanana

#121
March 31, 2009, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:58:11 PMYou are assuming that there won't be something else for them to hang their anti-US rhetoric on...and of course there will be. There always is.

It isn't hard to make up something to be outraged about, especially when it comes to the US. We have our fingers in everything, after all.
Really? And haven't you noticed that Poland itself seems to be about the only EU country particularly *happy* with the missile shield? You don't think the missile shield, as well as direct barter for us, has been indirect barter for Russia in dealing with the EU?
Experience bij!

derspiess

#122
March 31, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: Delirium on March 31, 2009, 03:58:11 PM
I was really scratching my head trying to figure out why Berk had that avatar, now I know.

This is comedy gold, gentlemen. Vintage Languish.
I still don't get the horse thing.  Can you explain it to me?

:lol:
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Delirium

#123
March 31, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
It doesn't behoof me to speak of such matters.
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Warspite

#124
March 31, 2009, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 31, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
The missile shield is valuable precisely because it's tangible evidence that we perceive Russia as a threat, at least from a Balkan/Russian perspective. These guys feed on conflict. By abandoning the missile shield, it signals to Russia and its neighboring nations that we're confident enough in our own existing forces as deterrent.

It also signals to China, Iran and North Korea that we're shoring up resources for more important things. From a tactical perspective, this could actually be beneficial.

Is the missile shield positioned to stop Russian missiles? The Russians still have a credible Arctic strategic deterrent fleet. That means missiles handily avoiding Poland and Czech Republic.
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Razgovory

#125
March 31, 2009, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:59:19 PM



I would like to thank Raz for the suggestion.


Well you are a horse's ass.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

#126
March 31, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 31, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 31, 2009, 03:53:22 PMAnd now jacob follows along in the strawman constructing footsteps of those who came before him.

This is almost as good as JRs constructed comments from Gates.

I'd totally come around to your point of view if only you offered to press the reset button and admit things are partially your fault.

Alas, you're too much like Putin  :(
I always thought Zhirinovsky was a more apt comparison.

The Minsky Moment

#127
March 31, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 31, 2009, 03:40:13 PM
What's wrong with it is that it's extremely naive.  Do you really think there's any chance to get the Russians to help us?

I think that the Russians are concerned about the possibility that an Islamic revolutionary state just a short jaunt down the Caspian is developing nuclear weapons.  Iranian missile technology is isn't where developed to the point they could get anywhere near the US, but they could reach Russian soil no problem. 
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Queequeg

#128
March 31, 2009, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 31, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 31, 2009, 03:40:13 PM
What's wrong with it is that it's extremely naive.  Do you really think there's any chance to get the Russians to help us?

I think that the Russians are concerned about the possibility that an Islamic revolutionary state just a short jaunt down the Caspian is developing nuclear weapons.  Iranian missile technology is isn't where developed to the point they could get anywhere near the US, but they could reach Russian soil no problem.



An uppity Iran is an Iran pushing back into its historic range in the Caucasus, an Iranian-Russian alliance only makes sense as long as Iran is relatively powerless and the Turkish-American alliance (NATO) is belligerent. If Iran goes nuclear (in both a literal and non-literal batshit sense) it will push its influence further north.
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Admiral Yi

#129
March 31, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 31, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
I think that the Russians are concerned about the possibility that an Islamic revolutionary state just a short jaunt down the Caspian is developing nuclear weapons.  Iranian missile technology is isn't where developed to the point they could get anywhere near the US, but they could reach Russian soil no problem.
If so they haven't shown a lot of proof of this concern to date.

derspiess

#130
March 31, 2009, 06:37:04 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 31, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
I think that the Russians are concerned about the possibility that an Islamic revolutionary state just a short jaunt down the Caspian is developing nuclear weapons.  Iranian missile technology is isn't where developed to the point they could get anywhere near the US, but they could reach Russian soil no problem.
If so they haven't shown a lot of proof of this concern to date.

Yeah, they must be hiding it awfully well.
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Neil

#131
March 31, 2009, 06:38:02 PM
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Ed Anger

#132
March 31, 2009, 06:40:51 PM
Those thighs look a bit too thick.
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Neil

#133
March 31, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 31, 2009, 06:40:51 PM
Those thighs look a bit too thick.
She does a lot of kicking.
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Habsburg

#134
March 31, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
Why do we want relations with teh Russians? 

I say ignore them, and perhaps they'll go away. :frog:
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