Anti-Minaret Online Referendum

[Ed Anger]

I technically should have voted "North American - No" but my opinion would be different were I a Euro (where this is actually an issue), so I voted Euro-Yes.

We have plenty of room here for mooselimbs as long as they are not of the radical variety & make some attempt to assimilate, but Europe is a different matter.  It's kind of like a theme park you don't want to ever change.

Why don't you vote like yourself and stop pretending to be able to read our minds?

We know what you are thinking.

[The Larch]

I technically should have voted "North American - No" but my opinion would be different were I a Euro (where this is actually an issue), so I voted Euro-Yes.

We have plenty of room here for mooselimbs as long as they are not of the radical variety & make some attempt to assimilate, but Europe is a different matter.  It's kind of like a theme park you don't want to ever change.

Why don't you vote like yourself and stop pretending to be able to read our minds?

We know what you are thinking.

I knew I shouldn't have drank the fluoridated water!

[Ed Anger]

Fluoridation is a communist conspiracy.

Americans spike your soft drinks.

[Martinus]

Of course not. That's stupid.

Hmmm I wonder how much of the opposition is motivated by political correctness? 

Is there no grounds then to the argument that Islam is dangerous and it's propagation should be curtailed? 

And please let's not compare 'AIDS Warriors' whith fanatical jihadists...



G.

Is "political correctness" the new code word for "doing the right thing even if you'd rather not" these days? It seems to be thrown around these days every time someone is told he can't hate fags, blacks, muslims, immigrants and whatnot.

[Martinus]

Well keep in mind, the Swiss didn't allow women to vote until the 1970's.

Even the broken clock is right twice a day, though.

[garbon]

So are minarets so widespread in the US?

I wouldn't mind them.

[Martinus]

I don't mind the call to prayer, if it is done well and not at an inappropriate time.

I also like the sound of church bells. I live near three churches and I kinda like hearing 'em. I wouldn't like it much at 5 am though.

What I hated in Indonesia was the cheap-ass calls to prayer that were just bad tape recordings. Have some guy with a good voice do it live.

There was a case in Poland recently where a local priest installed a hi-fi church bell system that would pretty much wake up the entire neighborhood at 6 a.m. So it's not just muezzins.

[Martinus]

one of the problems with the mosques/minarets is that people have figured out that there's no reciprocity in many/most muslim countries.

I thought human rights are rights possessed by, you know, humans. Not cultures, religions or ethnic groups.

That's why talking about reciprocity in the context of human rights is rather stupid.

[Grallon]

...The human rights records of various muslim countries are of concern, but I don't subscribe to some team Christian vs team Muslim narrative.  Fuck that noise.

You are hopelessly naive Jacob.  *shakes head*




G.

[Grallon]

Is "political correctness" the new code word for "doing the right thing even if you'd rather not" these days? It seems to be thrown around these days every time someone is told he can't hate fags, blacks, muslims, immigrants and whatnot.

I'm not sure I'm following you Marty...  I don't mind muslims so long as when they move over here they assimilate; i.e. they abandon the ridiculous superstitions/values that make their various sub-cultures inferior to western ones (precedence of religion over rule of law, precedence of tribal mores over human rights, slavery of women, etc).




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[Jaron]

STOPP JA?

[Sophie Scholl]

If we start becoming more and more like our supposed enemies in order to combat them, even if we "win" we lose.  It's our freedoms which define our nations, if we start curbing them in order to combat our enemies, real or imagined, then we are no longer the nations we were.  Losing to some supposed Islamic threat will be secondary, as we'll have already lost to our own fears and prejudices.

[Faeelin]

I'm not sure I'm following you Marty...  I don't mind muslims so long as when they move over here they assimilate; i.e. they abandon the ridiculous superstitions/values that make their various sub-cultures inferior to western ones (precedence of religion over rule of law, precedence of tribal mores over human rights, slavery of women, etc).

It's funny, you would be incredibly homophobic if you were straight.

[Slargos]

If we start becoming more and more like our supposed enemies in order to combat them, even if we "win" we lose.  It's our freedoms which define our nations, if we start curbing them in order to combat our enemies, real or imagined, then we are no longer the nations we were.  Losing to some supposed Islamic threat will be secondary, as we'll have already lost to our own fears and prejudices.

That sounds all fine and dandy, but when you put your hand in a pile of goo that was once your best friend's face, you'll know what to do.

It's chinatown.

[Sophie Scholl]

Are you trying to suggest I pirated that from a movie or something?