Is Israel Too Strong for America?

[Neil]

It was a diplomatic defeat for Obama.  But I doubt the American public was sufficiently invested in a settlement freeze for it to qualify as a defeat for America.

To be honest, I think that it most clearly is in our national interest to freeze settlement growth, and eventually roll it back.   

But in real life, it isn't.

[The Minsky Moment]

It was a diplomatic defeat for Obama.  But I doubt the American public was sufficiently invested in a settlement freeze for it to qualify as a defeat for America.

To be honest, I think that it most clearly is in our national interest to freeze settlement growth, and eventually roll it back.   

You are confusing means with ends.

[Eddie Teach]

To be honest, I think that it most clearly is in our national interest to freeze settlement growth, and eventually roll it back.   

That determination relies on way too many unknowns.

[The Brain]

And unknown knowns.

[Admiral Yi]

That determination relies on way too many unknowns.

I can think of just one: the willingness of the Palestinian people and leadership to respond in kind to the gesture.

[The Brain]

That determination relies on way too many unknowns.

I can think of just one: the willingness of the Palestinian people and leadership to respond in kind to the gesture.

Not an unknown.

[Admiral Yi]

Not an unknown.

Well yeah.

[Viking]

Hitler Youth would not want Israel to expand 

The local Neo-Nazis here in Norway have decided to stop being anti-semites. They are well impressed by Joo fighting strength and after careful consideration had decided that Joos are not untermenchen and besides, the neo-nazis like the killing arabs bit.

[Alexandru H.]

Hitler Youth would not want Israel to expand 

The local Neo-Nazis here in Norway have decided to stop being anti-semites. They are well impressed by Joo fighting strength and after careful consideration had decided that Joos are not untermenchen and besides, the neo-nazis like the killing arabs bit.

A nice paradox. I have another: antisemite party in a state in which Jews are 0.0025 percent of the total population... 

[Viking]

Hitler Youth would not want Israel to expand 

The local Neo-Nazis here in Norway have decided to stop being anti-semites. They are well impressed by Joo fighting strength and after careful consideration had decided that Joos are not untermenchen and besides, the neo-nazis like the killing arabs bit.

A nice paradox. I have another: antisemite party in a state in which Jews are 0.0025 percent of the total population... 

Not that uncommon.. it's like that all over the arab world. But then again, almost all political parties in the arab world are antisemitic.

[Queequeg]

You are confusing means with ends.

I don't see how Middle-East stabilization (let alone peace) is accomplished while Likud and their far-right buddies are colonizing the West Bank.  One should be a part of the other. 

[Malthus]

Hitler Youth would not want Israel to expand 

The local Neo-Nazis here in Norway have decided to stop being anti-semites. They are well impressed by Joo fighting strength and after careful consideration had decided that Joos are not untermenchen and besides, the neo-nazis like the killing arabs bit.

A nice paradox. I have another: antisemite party in a state in which Jews are 0.0025 percent of the total population... 

I've a better paradox: anti-semitism as a pop culture theme in a place that has no Jews at all, and never did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan

In this book, Kubota spread the rumor that Enola Gay means "Kill the Emperor" in Yiddish.

In 1936, lieutenant general Shioden Nobutaka (四王天延孝), translated the Protocols into Japanese. Shioden became a believer in a Jewish conspiracy while he was studying in France. According to Dr. David Kranzler, "The key to the distinction between the Japanese and the European form of antisemitism seems to lie in the long Christian tradition of identifying the Jew with the Devil, the Antichrist or someone otherwise beyond redemption ... The Japanese lacked this Christian image of the Jew and brought to their reading of the Protocols a totally different perspective. The Christian tried to solve the problem of the Jew by eliminating him; the Japanese tried to harness his alleged immense wealth and power to Japan's advantage."

One bizzare feature of Japanese anti-Semitism: the Japanese who believe in this stuff are as likely to admire Jews for their "success" (in ruling the world) as they are to hate & fear them.

[Neil]

You are confusing means with ends.

I don't see how Middle-East stabilization (let alone peace) is accomplished while Likud and their far-right buddies are colonizing the West Bank.  One should be a part of the other.

Is the stabilization of the Middle East in the US national interest?

[Cecil]

You are confusing means with ends.

I don't see how Middle-East stabilization (let alone peace) is accomplished while Likud and their far-right buddies are colonizing the West Bank.  One should be a part of the other.

Well once the ayarbs leave the west bank there will be stability.

[The Minsky Moment]

You are confusing means with ends.

I don't see how Middle-East stabilization (let alone peace) is accomplished while Likud and their far-right buddies are colonizing the West Bank. 

It doesn't
The next question: does it get accomplished even if the Likud coaliation temporarily halts the settlements?