Three cheers for socialism! (another Chavez thread)

[The Brain]

You just build enough nuke plants to meet peak needs. Problem solved. Surplus energy can be used for good.

Less posting on Languish, more inventing Mr. Fusion for me.  KTHX BAI

Dream on, Kentucky.

[MadImmortalMan]

We need to invent some super-awesome new kind of battery.

[The Brain]

We need to invent some super-awesome new kind of battery.

Good idea. CdM, what's the best you've ever seen?

[viper37]

Not enough electricity is being produced for what?....Oh, yeah...to meet consumption. But people here said, consumption wasn't the problem. Depends how you look at it. Lesser consumption would require lesser usage.

This time, I'm not defending socialism. I'm just saying Chavez isn't lying when he says that the rich peeps over using electricity is the problem. He's not saying that there are other problems as well, I agree. But his statement is not a lie.

And, I'm in the 'Shwa, just outside Toronto. But it's Ontario Hydro that has all these programs to encourage off-peak consumption. I imagine they're nation wide though.

A private or public electricity company will adapt to the increase in demand.  They anticipate the demand, so they produce more electricity (more power plants, more damns, etc.).
I've never had a power outage because of high demand here (wich is in winter).

And of course, every company will encourage you to reduce your electricity consumption, because they don't need to invest in new plants to produce energy, because they can sell it to someone else at a higher price, etc, etc, that's normal.

What is not normal is that:
a- a oil producing country needs to import oil after nationalizing it's oil companies.
b- a resourceful country like Venezuela needs to shut the power after nationalizing electricity companies.

[Neil]

And, I'm in the 'Shwa, just outside Toronto. But it's Ontario Hydro that has all these programs to encourage off-peak consumption. I imagine they're nation wide though.

I've never heard of them.  Either they don't exist or they aren't being marketed very well in Alberta.

Then again, with our atomic reactors coming on line in the years to come, we'll soon have infinite electricity anyways.

Atomic reactors won't help covering peaks. They can't be turned on fast enough.

Baseload plants are cheaper than peak plants per kWh. Less peak consumption also needs less infrastructure. So ideally the consumption rate should be flat to minimize costs, whether in Alberta or Venezuela. That's why as a consumer you are encouraged to do certain tasks at night.

That's why the key is massive overproduction and exporting the excess.

[viper37]

This is not the wrongest Hugo has ever been.  A drought is mother nature, it's not mismanagement.  The rich are consuming more to start with so it's easier for them to cut back than it is for the poor.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3495
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/electricity_production.html

Venezuela was supposed to increase its electricity production, but it failed miserably. And 30% of it comes from fossile fuels.

Here is the consumption:
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/electricity_consumption.html
From the moment it was nationalized, electricity consumption and production dropped.

[Iormlund]

That's why the key is massive overproduction and exporting the excess.

Doesn't sound very practical. Who are you going to export it to at 3 AM?

[MadImmortalMan]

This is not the wrongest Hugo has ever been.  A drought is mother nature, it's not mismanagement.  The rich are consuming more to start with so it's easier for them to cut back than it is for the poor.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3495
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/electricity_production.html

Venezuela was supposed to increase its electricity production, but it failed miserably. And 30% of it comes from fossile fuels.

Here is the consumption:
http://www.indexmundi.com/venezuela/electricity_consumption.html
From the moment it was nationalized, electricity consumption and production dropped.

Production looks like it went up in 07/08 on that chart.

[Neil]

That's why the key is massive overproduction and exporting the excess.

Doesn't sound very practical. Who are you going to export it to at 3 AM?

Venezuela, from the sounds of it.

[jimmy olsen]

We need to invent some super-awesome new kind of battery.

Good idea. CdM, what's the best you've ever seen?

Brilliant, are you sure you're not a native speaker?

[The Brain]

We need to invent some super-awesome new kind of battery.

Good idea. CdM, what's the best you've ever seen?

Brilliant, are you sure you're not a native speaker?

Positive.