South Africa

[alfred russel]

It really is all about race with you.

Are you surprised?

[Lettow77]

 Barrister, that's what you draw from this? It isnt true at all.

The boers are an agrarian, conservative protestant people with a huge african problem on their hands, that has led to their being reviled by the entire world. 19th century boer culture is a remarkable dichtonomy of almost anarchic libertarian pastoralism and intense social controls and moralism.

What's more, barrister, I am of huguenot stock. But for accident of emigration, I could have been there rather than here. Not just in the South and the Boer's shared resistances against modernity, industrialism and a 'progressive' empire, but also in blood, I feel a kinship with them.

Of course, go on assuming its just about race if you'd like. It's nothing of the sort, although race of course places a part- because race is inescapable down here, and there as well. Race is present in all things, from the moment you wake up to when you go to bed. It is part of our cultural landscape. 

Edit: And I never said the South had anything to do with 'heritage'. That is defeatist talk- my love of the South is based on the South's continuing identity, which embraces the future and the pesent as well as the past. The South not only was but is, and shall be. It is a nation larger than canada, and destined to play a greater role on the world stage, not least because of it's commitment to the 'state's rights' you look down your nose on as some sort of code word for racial oppression.

[Pat]

It is a nation larger than canada

No, it's not.

[Eddie Teach]

No, it's not.

Well, if you assume he means by population and includes people who consider themselves (United States of) Americans, then sure it's bigger.

[Admiral Yi]

Well, if you assume he means by population and includes people who consider themselves (United States of) Americans, then sure it's bigger.

Don't forget you have to mulitply the number of blacks by 2/3.

[Capetan Mihali]

Soyez sage, Lettow...



What are you doing in my country?
-- Ontlametse Bernstein Menyatsoe, 3/11/94

[Lettow77]

 Everyone knows about the Bophuthatswana incident. Of course, the story wouldnt have got out if the soldiers had succeeding in killing the journalists like they tried to do.

  Edit: the query doesnt make any damn sense anyway. They were rebelling to join SA, while the AWB was (out of its own self-interest) trying to maintain the integrity of the government there. The 'country' the man makes reference to he is working to destroy, but whatever.

[Neil]

...and destined to play a greater role on the world stage, not least because of it's commitment to the 'state's rights' you look down your nose on as some sort of code word for racial oppression.

But isn't that a bad thing, if it is destined to play a greater role on the world stage because of provincialism and ignorance?

[CountDeMoney]

The Boers are extinct as a meaningful political force.  They deserve no less, for having resisted the great civilizing force of Britain.

Hmmmm....Kitchener or Botha, De Wit and De La Rey.  Decisions, decisions.

[Neil]

The Boers are extinct as a meaningful political force.  They deserve no less, for having resisted the great civilizing force of Britain.

Hmmmm....Kitchener or Botha, De Wit and De La Rey.  Decisions, decisions.

K of Chaos was ass, but Buller was the man.

[CountDeMoney]

The Boers are extinct as a meaningful political force.  They deserve no less, for having resisted the great civilizing force of Britain.

Hmmmm....Kitchener or Botha, De Wit and De La Rey.  Decisions, decisions.

K of Chaos was ass, but Buller was the man.

Of course he was.  Poor guy.  Set up for failure.

[Neil]

The Boers are extinct as a meaningful political force.  They deserve no less, for having resisted the great civilizing force of Britain.

Hmmmm....Kitchener or Botha, De Wit and De La Rey.  Decisions, decisions.

K of Chaos was ass, but Buller was the man.

Of course he was.  Poor guy.  Set up for failure.

And then when he eventually succeeded, the media and the government stabbed him in the back.

Besides, Kitchener got his in end.

[katmai]

@ lettow

[Lettow77]

 The South Africa thing shows no signs of abating. I had an argument with the missus about the feasibility of moving there.

(And yes, katmai, I know. Honestly, I dont know why I stick around here. I never treat anyone else here in such a manner. Maybe one day y'all wont have lettow to kick around.)

[Jaron]

The South Africa thing shows no signs of abating. I had an argument with the missus about the feasibility of moving there.

(And yes, katmai, I know. Honestly, I dont know why I stick around here. I never treat anyone else here in such a manner. Maybe one day y'all wont have lettow to kick around.)

You'll get no sympathy from me.